The Tao of the Traveller

"Baba’s new film" or the aforesaid "independent movie" depending on your point of view.

Woo ... "Funds received from the sale of the DVD will remain with the Yagya." Tamsin ... would you like to clarify the background to this, how exactly the film was funded and the income broken down? I mean, what it says is "funds received" not "all funds received" or "a proportion of funds received after costs" etc. I fear that this is a little, typically, vague when the film is also being promoted as an independent project with, obviously, personal professional benefits.

BTW, who or what is "HIM Studios"?

Service News from UK

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Tao of the Traveller - Global Co-operation House, London 16th and 19th April 2008, 7pm

Around 30 people, including 20 media and IP contacts, attended a private screening of Baba’s new film Tao of the Traveller in the Conference Hall at GCH on Wednesday 16th April. The film was shown after a warm welcome from Sister Maureen and brief introduction by Robin Ramsay. With Tamasin Ramsay as the Traveller, the voices of Clarke Peters and Lucinda Drayton and the most exquisite and touching scenes from the natural world, the film beautifully and simply introduces the viewer to the ‘seven keys of enlightenment’ – in effect: soul, God, the Home, karma, The Cycle, the 8 powers and sharing knowledge.

After the film Brother Robin and Brother Prashant (HIM Studios, Gyan Sarovar) shared what had inspired the making of the film and their experiences of the process – “the challenges and the miracles”. Enthusiastic audience members wanted to know how they had managed to find and film such extraordinary scenes from nature – landscapes and animals. One suggested that it was as if “nature was fitting in with the story.” Another commented on the “very meditative rhythm of the whole film.” Brother Prashant shared how “it was as if some Divine power was at work; we would think about certain things and they would just happen.”

In thanking and congratulating the Brothers on such a beautiful and authentic creation, Sister Maureen commented how it demonstrated the power of a strong vision. She then closed the evening with a short meditation.

On Saturday 19th April, an 330 people attended a public screening of the film in the auditorium. As they were leaving, people commented on how “inspired” they had been, that these ideas “needed looking into” and that they were keen to see it again.

For information:

· The film was shown to full houses in Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen in the last week.

· TOTT is invited to the Fallbrook Film Festival in California 25-27 April 2008.

· DVDs of the film will be available for purchase within one month. Funds received from the sale of the DVD will remain with the Yagya.

Om Shanti

Sunday April 27 11:00am Screening Café Des Artistes SALON “Art House Screenings”

Tao of the Traveler - 64 min Tao of the Traveler is a young woman's adventure into a world which we thought only belonged to a handful of poets and the occasional mystic. A provocative and curiously subversive film that challenges long established ideas.

Also BTW.

A dear friend of mine (who is a musician) was in Madhuban and met Tamasin. She told him to contact her for the music he make's because it would fit the movie.

He was very enthusiastic about it!

But from this site, I had to tell him that the movie was already done!! So his music was not even needed from the day she asked him!

What a wonderful "family feeling".

Don't worry jannisder, he might be 'useful' in the future. I still cant work out if this is a "Ramasy, Inc Production" or the BKWSU's though.

I mean, what the BKWSU service notice says above is that it evangelizes most of the major points of BK Knowledge (TM) and is "Baba's". Yet elsewhere, they say it is based on the copyright book by Barbara Bossert Ramsay" (was $15.95 ... now $7.95 at the BKWSU's unlabeled Eternity Link shop).

On a personal level, I am very sorry Joel if you think I am being too harsh and for Tamsin to find her self in this position. BUT I still think it is reasonable that as "members of a family", we are allowed to know what is going on, what the rules are, if they apply equally to all, or if and why there are only preferential treatments for the wealthy heir souls.

One rule for the rich, one for the poor? That does not feel like God to me ... never mind a Bolenath. I mean they let them sell Godly knowledge in their names and yet they start legal action against us for using the name "Daughters of God" for our website to make it all available freely.

Spiritualism captured on celluloid
Date: Saturday, 12 Apr 2008 18:19 by Shagufta Kalim

Kolkata: The Beatles influenced a generation with their music. And following their footsteps, the flower power youths discovered mystic India. While for most, destination nirvana was good as long as it lasted, for Australian actor Robin Ramsay (who is in India to screen his film, Tao of the Traveller), it was a life-changing experience.

"For me, it all started like many youngsters of the 1960s. The Beatles and their spiritual connection with Maharishi Yogi caught our collective consciousness and eventually brought me to India," recalls Ramsay. His quest led him to Prajapita Brahma Kumari Vishwa Vidyalaya and he has been its member for the last 23 years. "Initially, I tried many spiritual centres but the involvement of business disillusioned me. That’s when I discovered the Brahma Kumari institution. The fact that the organisation is run by women reiterates that women hold the future. This unique value-based educational institution has more than 8,500 centres in India and almost 130 centres abroad," he informs.

Incidentally, Robin is the grandson of Willian Ramsay, the man behind the Kiwi shoe polish company. He is a converted vegetarian and practices celibacy in accordance with the tenets of his adopted faith. "Probably, the concept of God seen as a little boy playing the flute captured my imagination. Earlier, my family thought my passion was temporary but once they became acquainted with the philosophy, my wife and elder daughter also responded to the call while my younger daughter didn’t," he adds.

With his theatre company, Open Theatre, Robin has been touring the world since 1984 and has presented shows on works of writers like Rabindranath Tagore, Henry Lawson and Vikram Seth. Robin has twice won Melbourne Critics Circle Award for Best actor. "My involvement with theatre and films goes back to almost four decades, but it took me a while to make my first film as I wanted my work to have a life beyond cinema," he reasons.

Ramsay’s maiden attempt at direction is a blend of his creative instinct and spiritual bent of mind. Tao Of The Traveller — The Seven Keys of Enlightenment is a one-hour film that portrays a young woman’s spiritual journey to find the truth about an ancient manuscript buried for 2,000 years. In the process, she unearths the route to self-discovery and inner peace. "The film deals with many issues that linger in our minds from time to time. For instance, search for peace of mind, relationship with God, the world around us and the many facets of life," says Robin.

The film is based on a book written by his wife Barbara Bossert Ramsay and the protagonist is played by Robin’s daughter, Tamasin Ramsay, an established actress. "Directing my daughter was quite a challenge," he says. The film portrays the spiritual adventure and scores high on its visual appeal.

"We shot extensively in New Zealand, Australia and India. The ice-capped mountains and Tasman Sea of New Zealand, rain forests and great boulder strewn plains of Australia and picturesque locales of Mount Abu, provided perfect background to the story. "Moreover, there were wandering animals and some strayed into the frame at the time of taking the shot," he adds. "The film caters to a niche audience and we hope to take it to the different film festivals around the world including the Delhi Film Festival. In order to extend its reach, the film will soon be dubbed in 10 languages," concludes Robin.

I don't quite get the reference to God as Krishna ... but as we realise the role of Lekhraj Kirpalani, perhaps that become more clear ... and wonder who is doing the dubbing, or should that be dubbin, for free?

Come on Tamsin ... once you get back, grasp the nettle and let us know what has been going on. Has this site been having a positive influence on the BKWSU yet again?

yes, indeed it will be free on the web. There is a new website where you can see the trailer. You may have been to the site before, but this is the new one. It will be complete after the 19th.

The 2 minute trailer has always been, for several months, on the website and on google video.

But when will the entire movie be free on the web? Will this be soon? After all, it would then deplete the potential "Funds received from the sale of the DVD will remain with the Yagya" portion if made free on the web. But surely it is not the funds the BKWSU are concerned with, or are they ? After all, why even mention it ? Are they afraid what people might say if they do not announce where the proceeds go ? So materialistic thinking.

We will await to see when it would be made free on the web. I would be for one applaud it being made on the web ASAP, the later it does does more damage to the BKSWU. Same applies with any DVDs, music, Murlis etc.

Maybe nothing is really free in this world really. Regardless if one actually received any pay from making producing or acting in the film. As somewhere there are costs involved, because production of any material matter involves costs, some shown and some hidden.

Spirituality only works when it is truly free.

The internet has gone down to such a price, and in some places it can be even accessible for free. The PBKs have sort of worked this one out and gone to use the free domain to teach, whilst the BKWSU have still a long way to go (well, actually not, maybe simply they have nowhere else more to go).

Oh, I must retract that a bit. The BKWSU now have an SMS service where you can get slogan of the day, blessings of the day, thoughts and stuffs (other than Murlis) sent to your mobile. However, you still have to pay for the SMS subscription service. Well, what do you expect ... free ?

I mean, what the BKWSU service notice says above is that it evangelizes most of the major points of BK Knowledge (TM) and is "Baba's". Yet elsewhere, they say it is based on the copyright book by Barbara Bossert Ramsay" (was $15.95 ... now $7.95 at the BKWSU's unlabeled Eternity Link shop).

Yes, that's correct. A movie based on a book. It's quite common you'll find.

On a personal level, I am very sorry Joel if you think I am being too harsh and for Tamsin to find her self in this position. BUT I still think it is reasonable that as "members of a family", we are allowed to know what is going on, what the rules are, if they apply equally to all, or if and why there are only preferential treatments for the wealthy heir souls. One rule for the rich, one for the poor?

I've never found that. I was treated equally when I was 'poor' as when I became 'rich' as you put it.

I mean they let them sell Godly knowledge in their names and yet they start legal action against us for using the name "Daughters of God" for our website to make it all available freely.

I am not 'they'. I did not start any legal action against you.

Spiritualism captured on celluloid

Yes indeed. The arts have been used to explore and express spiritual ideas. It's been done before. It will be done again.

I don't quite get the reference to God as Krishna ... but as we realise the role of Lekhraj Kirpalani, perhaps that become more clear ... and wonder who is doing the dubbing, or should that be dubbin, for free?

I don't understand what you're saying.

Has this site been having a positive influence on the BKWSU yet again?

Certainly not that I am aware. And definitely not for me. I find it laborious and unfriendly. But I keep hoping for a meeting point. Some common ground.

BTW, who or what is "HIM Studios"?

House of International Media. A film studio in Gyan Sarovar.

But when will the entire movie be free on the web? Will this be soon? After all, it would then deplete the potential "Funds received from the sale of the DVD will remain with the Yagya" portion if made free on the web. But surely it is not the funds the BKWSU are concerned with, or are they ? After all, why even mention it ? Are they afraid what people might say if they do not announce where the proceeds go ? So materialistic thinking.

Personally, I have never thought of the film as a profit making enterprise. That was never in the intent of the film, the making of the film, or in any discussions about the film before, during or after. So, the monetary side of the film has never been in my mind, apart from responding to questions on this forum. However, as it is obviously very much in your mind I would advise you to contact the producer which you can do via the website http://www.taotraveller.com.

We will await to see when it would be made free on the web. I would be for one applaud it being made on the web ASAP, the later it does does more damage to the BKSWU. Same applies with any DVDs, music, Murlis etc.

I doubt it will be made free on the web. It was looked into but there are all kinds of problems with piracy so I don't think it will be. But again you will have to check with the producer. It is unlikely to do any damage to the BKWSU by not being made available on the web. That's an odd concept I would have thought and quite a conceptual leap. Are organisations damaged when films are made available through traditional methods? i.e. film houses, professional and informal screenings? I don't quite get the connection you are trying to make.

Spirituality only works when it is truly free.

You're absolutely right. And fortunately, it is.

Let's not be naive ... to lokiks (non-BKs) it is being pushed as "based on the copyright book by Barbara Bossert Ramsay" because it is more palatable and slips down easier than promoting a cultic religion. To BKs, is it being pushed as based on Baba's knowledge introducing the key elements of Gyan.

The issues that we are interested in here, are to do with the manipulation to fit, for some, of Shrimat, the Maryadas and the marketing of The Knowledge.

From a lokik perspective, it is all perfectly acceptable to make whatever advantage from which ever situation. I mean, it would be nicer if one made a film about Jesus for no profit, 'name and fame' etc but no one is going to criticise you for it. They may even laud you for it.

From an alokik perspective, it is different ... and given the position put out by God in Murlis, we are interested in how, when, to whom and under what circumstances Shrimat is bent (I request some applicable Murli points from a more scholarly type than I). Somewhere in between is the question of the modus operandi of keeping non-BKs, IPs, contact souls etc in the dark about the real motivations of the Yugya.

Now, what interests me personally ... as the unofficial Yugya historian ... is documenting the financial machinations behind all this because, more fool us if we do not recognise it, the Yugya marches on its cash registers and investments. I am interested to discover whether this independent movie was financed or co-produced by the Yugya as this would example of a new type of venture. Still no response from Robin on that one.

Is the "House of International Media" another BK front like the "Global Forum for Public Relations"? Him being BapDada? I mean, the BKs do have the connections with money to go into the movie business but I just wonder if it offers the best social and financial return.

At first

yes, indeed it will be free on the web.

Of which I commented

We will await to see when it would be made free on the web

whereby later the reply is

I doubt it will be made free on the web.

There seems to be some confusion to whether the DVD will be free. I accept your role in the film as you have given your position

Personally, I have never thought of the film as a profit making enterprise. That was never in the intent of the film, the making of the film, or in any discussions about the film before, during or after. So, the monetary side of the film has never been in my mind, apart from responding to questions on this forum. However, as it is obviously very much in your mind I would advise you to contact the producer

All I simply wish to know is if the movie would be made free for all, lokik and alokik souls of the world.

It was looked into but there are all kinds of problems with piracy so I don't think it will be. But again you will have to check with the producer. It is unlikely to do any damage to the BKWSU by not being made available on the web. That's an odd concept I would have thought and quite a conceptual leap. Are organisations damaged when films are made available through traditional methods? i.e. film houses, professional and informal screenings? I don't quite get the connection you are trying to make.

I did not even get that far as towards piracy issues or anything to do with processes in film making. Maybe the question is who is the DVD for ? Is it for the whole world, or is it for BKs only ? I am not suggesting you have anything to do with this at all. Simply that if someone came to me and asked can they have a Bible, I would be able to point them to a website for it, and likewise for Quran. But if I am having to point them for the TTATT DVD and tell them to pay $xx dollars plus shipping when it is not even a DVD of BapDada, then I'll leave that decision to that enquirer to work it out for themself. Most people are savvy to be able to check simply by doing a Google to know if it will be made free on the web. How much alokik we are, we so still live in a lokik world. It is hell here, we've ben told time and time again, and lots of things go on in hell.

You don't need to answer personally if it free nor not. I trust in other people's judgement to find this out for themselves.

Aside : I know much of the Hindi music produced and used in Madhuban is on the web somewhere, free, whereas the music produced by Western BKs (namely by Bliss) are not. But can someone correct me if I am wrong here ? Again, I know nothing about music copyrights and the business making in music (or film) etc in relation to the web, but I find that so much music is now available on google videos and youtube. For free.

Dear ex-l and Bansy,

I've really answered your questions the best I can. Obviously you're still unsatisfied, but I have nothing else to offer you. If you have any new questions or discussions I will happily answer them, but at the moment I fear we might end up going around in circles, with you asking questions, me answering them, you not liking the answer, asking the same question, me answering them ... and so on.

Maybe someone else will join the forum who can respond better than me.
Tamasin

Tamasin, fine. But I think the problem is more that you are NOT answer the question and skirting around it.

I admire bansy acuteness and commitment to freeing BK spirituality. Perhaps it is not obvious to you but ... if there are concerns about piracy, then there can only be intent to sell/license the product. You cant pirate something that is given away for nothing. BKWSU could chose an Open Source license to release its materials ... and let's not ignore the Murli issue.

If the movie has been paid for and produced by the Yagya, we understand Shrimat to mean it ought be given away ... or at least sold for "costs". You see, if it turns out the Yagya has started into profit orientated media production (and it will come out eventually) ... then that marks a new juncture in its history. I am sure we all look forward to watching HIMs role in the future.

Look, the production office is listed as your home. I think if I was in your position, as I said, I just would have gone and asked my Father what was going on. It would have looked a lot better for the BKs if you had done so.

Are you not speaking to Robin any more, or something? We wrote, there was a promise but then no answer ...

I do not think you are daft. I just don't think playing sweet and innocent is going to help you much on this forum. If you do not see any problem with combining personal/professional interests with Gyan ... then talk it through with some of the other Murli reading members.

... or at least, pretty please, explain to us the changes that have happened in the BKWSU to allow it and when it happened.

Dear ms orange,

Dear ex-l and Bansy,
I've really answered your questions the best I can.

I think you confuse the "questions" about what I ask and what ex-l asks. They are seperate, and I can only speak for myself.

All I am asking if this DVD will be made available for free on the web, because not all BKs can easily afford to spend on it. I am not interested in how it was made or the movie production or what goes on behind the scenes (that seems to be the area of ex-l's inquiries).

If you don't know if the DVD will be made free or not, than that is fine. That's all that was needed. But I raised my last post because in the first instance you said it will be made free, then later you said you doubt it will be made free. So for many people on this forum around the world who may not have accesss to a BK centre easily may now have to decide whether they are willing to pay for the DVD. Don't get me wrong, I pay monies into Yagya for my own reasons and hardly give it much thought to where it goes.

I have said that I look forward to watching the movie if at first I can get hold of it in the most economical way possible.

Dear Bansy,

I know that the producer (of course you know who he is, but I am just respecting his privacy!) was intending to publish it free on the web, but then was told about piracy and other things as well and - not being a computer wallah - as far as I know he has decided against it for now. I don't want to speak for him, but that's what I understand.

On the http://www.taotraveller.com website you can buy the DVD for $20 (I don't know if that's Aussie or US) and the money goes to the GHRC and its village outreach work. I wrote and advised him to say a bit more about village outreach, as many people may not know what that means. Perhaps he will write more detail sometimes.

Other than that ... it will be coming soon to a centre near you!!

Ms Orange

BKWSU could chose an Open Source license to release its materials

I don't even know what an Open Source license is, so I cannot comment! And you're just going to have to persevere with the producer and hope that one day he responds, because I am not 'skirting around' any questions. I just don't have the detail you want, as I repeatedly keep saying.

... and let's not ignore the Murli issue.

I am not ignoring anything. What's the Murli issue?

You see, if it turns out the Yagya has started into profit orientated media production (and it will come out eventually) ... then that marks a new juncture in its history.

You give this film far too much credit. But I still have to direct you to the producer for details. I will write to him again and encourage him to reply. Many BKs are reticent to come on this site, because they get labelled (as I have been) and accused (as I have been) of all kinds of things. There's enough to deal with in life, without coming onto this site and getting slammed. I keep persevering though, hoping we might find some common ground at some point. Hopefully the producer will come on and answer your questions so I can stop repeating myself.

I am sure we all look forward to watching HIMs role in the future.

Yes indeed. Many of us are quite happy that the arts are finally being recognised as a valid and powerful way to give people an experience of peace and meditation.

Look, the production office is listed as your home. I think if I was in your position, as I said, I just would have gone and asked my Father what was going on. It would have looked a lot better for the BKs if you had done so.

I did ask. But I will not speak for him. I think it's unethical and dishonest. Also, I may answer some of your queries, and then you'll want more detail and again I will have to ask him, wait for a reply (he's travelling so I have to wait for an email response) again reply to you, receive your questions, ask him, wait for a reply. I don't want to play that game. I would recommend just being patient, perhaps write to him again (nicely might help) and wait for his response.

Are you not speaking to Robin any more, or something? We wrote, there was a promise but then no answer ...

He's a space cadet of the highest calibre. He needs reminding. I will write and remind him. But it's up to him whether he posts or not. I won't push him.

I don't think playing sweet and innocent is going to help you much on this forum.

I am not "playing sweet and innocent" (in the derogatory way that you seem to mean it), despite your perception to the contrary. I am just continuing to be frank and honest and answering all your questions the best I can. I will continue to do so for a while longer.

If you do not see any problem with combining personal/professional interests with Gyan ... then talk it through with some of the other Murli reading members.

There was no combining of professional/personal interests in this. I did not act in this film because I want to pursue a movie career ... is that what you think?! I did it because I believe in the subject matter and want people to experience peace and something new and creative and spiritual and different, through this film. I did it for spiritual reasons only. No other.

pretty please, explain to us the changes that have happened in the BKWSU to allow it and when it happened.

We just got together, thought we'd make a film, and made a film. It's no more complex than that.

So who paid for it? Is it Baba's, HIM's or Ramsay, Incs? It is confusing because Saligram Studios also operates out of the London BK center. Are you all still pursing creative careers too?

I would like to point out why it is important to know who is behind this movie, and ultimately that means financially, to discover which agenda is being pushed and what consciousness is at play. From a Brahmin point of view ... what vibrations are going to affect people watching it. For me, I think BKs and the world, via the search engines, should know how the BKWSU operates financially and does business.

Now, given that it take and uses other peoples' intellectual property, e.g. the Taoist masters and BK God's, it would not seem right that the adapters of that material (not creators) then claim to own it and have rights over it.

I am sorry, I promised to lay off you personally on these issues but I think it is time for the Kumbhkarnas of the BKWSU to wake up. Even as a professional in the creative arts it is your choice to go along with the status quo or to take a stand for higher principles.

I know that the producer was intending to publish it free on the web, but then was told about piracy and other things as well and - not being a computer wallah - as far as I know he has decided against it for now.

Given his background, I assumed that he would and it is about time his hippie and freedom fighting, anti-establishment sanskars stood up to be counted against the cornershop mentality of the beancounters (BK or not).

So who told him not to? BK or non-BK ... an agent or the dreaded BK Computer Wallah Team? (Its funny but in the latter's public statement, they mention a commitment to "open source tools" etc ... then they go use and tie everything up as copyright, trademarked and "proprietary").

In simple language anyone can understand, the difference between;

"copyright", e.g. "I made it, I own it, if you want it or to see OR EVEN SHOW IT, you need my permission and/or you have to pay me" and, say,
"copyleft", e.g. "I made, anyone can use it, copy it, share it ... and depending on license, modify it ... as long as I am credited for my work".

• The BK "God" appears to work to a copyleft principle, e.g. "anyone can use it, copy it, share it ... and will modify it".
• BKs and the BKWSU has shown a commitment to copyrighting and trademarking, e.g. "we own now, you pay for it, or do what we say to get it (e.g the control of access to their God's intellectual property (Murlis)".
• Even the genuine BK "charity" is proprietary and CONDITIONAL, i.e. it comes labelled and is used for corporate promotion (ref: their UN aims and objectives).

In truth, of course, 'God-God' works to an even higher license, e.g. pure incognito, unlimted altruism, no question of any return ... never mind financial. Does 'God-God' not teach us to love and serve UNCONDITIONALLY?

As examples, you have a choice of, say, 'Artistic License 2.0', e.g. "everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this license document, but changing it is not allowed". 'Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0 Generic' which allows others to share, to copy, distribute, transmit and adapt the work, as long as it is attributed, noncommercial and "Shared Alike". You should look at the Creative Comnons Website, many genuinely independent directors are making open movies. Another is the 'Academic Free License ("AFL") v. 3.0' which grants "worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive, sublicensable permission to; reproduce the Original Work in copies, either alone or as part of a collective work, to display, translate, adapt, alter, transform, modify, or arrange the Original Work, thereby creating derivative works, to distribute or communicate copies of the Original Work and Derivative Works to the public etc.

I am laughing ... not at you but at the BK system. Increasingly, the right wing BKWSU's idea of "Royalty" ... is something you pay the BKWSU for. Its tax (sales tax) on Knowledge without representation. Not even Kali-yugi government put sales tax on education materials!!!. Given that they were given everything for free, and financially looked after 24/7 for 20 to 70 years ... it stinks, is so uncool, and it is so 'old-world'. So, come on BKWSU (letting ms orange off the hook), what is going on?

(The Murli issues are; they wont release them into public domain for everyone to have, they wont allow BKs to copy and share them, they are modifying them WITHOUT crediting the originals and, seemingly, have destroyed a whole trail of earlier ones that don't fit their current PR).

So who told him not to? (make ToTT freely available on the internet

I won't speak for him, and I don't know. I have to let him answer that for himself.

As far as the Murli issues go, I have nothing to say about it. Just as freedom of speech is a human right, so is freedom of silence.

I know that the producer (of course you know who he is, but I am just respecting his privacy!) was intending to publish it free on the web, but then was told about piracy and other things as well and - not being a computer wallah - as far as I know he has decided against it for now. I don't want to speak for him, but that's what I understand.

OK, thanks for the reply ms orange.

By the way, as a small note, you needn't worry about what posters are like on this forum, everyone is simply being very direct in their approach (sanskars?). An open forum has that way. It is only the smileys and cyberhugs that give some pauses. Besides the people here are not dissimilar to those who are actually BKs. Some ex-BK could have been a BK yesterday ! And soon you'll know who you want to skip and be silent to and who needs help. Sometimes helping one person could result in a bunch (e.g. Sakaash). Somehow I feel you can contribute much in your own way.

Once you get by from being on the main subforums, have a go on the splinter group subforum. It's wild But Baba does say we are all his children in all four corners.