tinydot wrote:Who do you think is responsible? By BK theory, everything is fixed.
Yes, it's not what God does or doesn't allow, it's what we do.
Once you act on a choice, the act is done, you cannot undo it - that's how it's fixed. And poor old Baba cannot act in the physical realm. If his friends aren't helping him, it doesn't get done.
(I'll indulge this short joke to illustrate the point.
A priest is tending the church garden.
A passerby stops to admire it, and comments,
" You and God certainly have done a good job there!"
The priest replies,
"Yep, you should have seen it when just God had it.")
As I have said, the question Why God allows this and that ... has been answered pretty well by most religions. Ask a good Christian or Moslem, he will tell you a good answer. Maybe be biased but good. "Because we have a choice and there is judgement in the end." Sounds a bit credible.
I used to be happy with the Christian answer, when I believed, and did not know who God was. Judgement is an interesting one. Baba's telling us we're going to be purified one way or the other at cycle's end as we return home. Him being here/playing his role now gives me an option I get once a cycle. Not only can I avoid Dharamraj, from the effort I make now I can earn exponential karmic reward for the next time round. I am sure we've all been kicked, a few times at least, this birth. I am happy to know how to avoid bringing that on myself again before this cycle ends.
And what is the BK catch? God, Himself will interfere (i.e. He won't allow the world to be misdirected or disoriented totally) after "4900 years" where He allowed it to happen for "4900 years".
C'mon tinydot. You know Baba is bound in the drama like we are. He only wakes up when it's his time to play his role. Then, in the first half of The Cycle we don't need him, don't even remember him. And the last half our memory of him is Bhakti, until now. He only plays a short role, but it's a good 'un
... We know God is not responsible for them. But is he responsible for the dying [mosquito-]human souls in Africa? By BK/PBK theory, that is their role in the Drama. No hope for them to be heroes.
Does Baba have compassion? Of course. Do these souls have an intellect which can connect with him? I don't know the answer to that. I do know everything is relative. Who we might see as being one or two birth Iron Age souls, it's their Golden Age. There's nothing in them that wants to be a hero actor as we understand it. It's not in the soul's makeup or characteristics.
Maybe they are happy living this kind of life, and I am the one feeling merciful. I don't know.
Sure. And this is where knowledge of how to be the detached observer is useful. Where you can do something, fine.
For me the Christian (or other religious) concept of choice is FAR more superior than the BK one's.
If you look at them you'll find they're pretty much the same. Freewill. Karma/ as you sow, you reap in Christianity. If you don't make the fortunate choice before/at the end time, you're damned for eternity. Gyan says the same thing, but makes it clear those choices/efforts before The Cycle ends, and rewards through each new cycle, will be the same eternally. The difference is, one is Bhakti from 2000 years ago.
I was deluded to believe in a "predetermined choice" until I realized it's a useless concept [for me]. And there is no need for me to know the Drama as explained by BKWSU point of view, whether it is true or not.
I never heard that term, and agree it's a useless concept. If you don't feel a need to understand the Drama, true or not, there shouldn't be any conflict for you.
tinydot wrote:I rather concentrate on the being and freedom of UNLIMITED, NOT PREDETERMINED good [and honest] choice. That is my basis of living. Nothing to resolve the unprovable, just go with good life and faith in My God.
Sounds like you've got it sorted, tinydot. Good luck to you.