rayoflight wrote:You are a brave soul. I don't know how I would handle such a delicate situation. You must love her very much.
I agree entirely, and I am 1,000 times sympathetic towards you for it. It seems to me that even having left the BKWSU, you have still chosen a life of service.
ex-l wrote:terry's situation had, or has, abiguities that his continuation of the politicking does not make clear, e.g. his recent fronting up for the BKWSU in Australia
terry wrote:You keep throwing out this furphy, this misleading insinuation. I never fronted FOR the BKs. I ran three workshops at their premises using a method of self awareness based on working with the unconscious through dream analysis. The philosophical foundations of dream analysis are diametrically opposite to BK teachings. It is not unlike Richard Dawkins lecturing at a meeting of Christian scientists.
Terry, I promise you, you made yourself entirely clear earlier on but ...
seeing the benefit of asking the same question more than once ... you do introduce a new and interesting element here;
terry wrote:My aim in running the classes there was partly subversive (sorry Connie) ...
I hope to teach others to eventually listen to and trust their inner voice, the sage within each of us ... That may explain why you think Meditation Space is a 'front' - it is part of the reinvention the organisation does to survive ... "Front" implies deceit. All sales techniques, all personalities adopt a "persona", a "front', as do each of us. Deceit is a matter of degree.
And you also suggested you would not do it again, although it is none of my business if you do or do not.
But, come on, you are clairvoyant enough to see what was going on and there would have been other levels from their point of view regarding your relationship with your wife, "
keeping you close to the family ... serving the lokiks ... showing respect ... being chancellors" and all that stuff. Its what they are told to do in the Murlis. The Dadis give them Shrimat to "go serve the original jewels" etc. it has even come up since our existence here as a damage limitation exercise ... appeasing the ex-s.
Are these not fair to say?
I am sorry if it smarts a little, terry, but "fronting" is what 99% of BK service is all about. I don't think you can argue against that. Its along time since any BK ran around with the poster of the Trimurti on his waistcoast "giving Baba's introduction" just like it said in the Murils.
terry wrote:You tell me why they would have an ex-BK teaching an alternative approach to self awareness. Would you have permitted it ... in your day as pukka BK?
ex-l wrote:a mutually beneficial arrangement ... as in "good for your business, good for theirs"? ... BTW, I think your "mutual beneficial equation" is healthy BUT I think it is entirely opposite to the way the Brahma Kumaris encourage and practise.
terry wrote:Another cynical way to say it is "everything is a business" ... If the deal benefited only me, well, what would you think of that? I made no money from it, but had use of the space, and practiced my art. They had a different "attraction" to bring people to their space ... No-one was hurt, and hopefully they received some tools to help them from being mislead by external influences.
I'd be interest to know ... what proportion were BKs and what non-BKs? How did the BKs respond?
From me, you can only expect a hard time on this. On one hand, it is no different from Brian Bacon's capitalization or "corporate co-promotions" with the BKWSU (a business deal not offered to all equally); on the other hand, there is the danger that you are just empowering the BKs with another skillset, salepitch and quote from some famous person.
But we know what they are really all about. We know they use fronts to hide that. Personally, I have this chameleon like image in my mind of the spirit of the BKs, externally adopting and re-adopting according to its surroundings but internally unchanged.