AUM Shanti.
ex-l wrote: So, we don't dance like sad little monkeys on a chain to the sound of the organ grinder, dancing to the tune they have invented to make money. Too right.
You are 100% correct. I am happy for that. I, too, am like you.
So, how, when and why was Shiva introduced into the philosophy. Sure such an introduction, such a revelation is of such a magnitude that it ought be recorded somewhere. And sure the fact the current leadership, who are engaged in editing and revising these Murlis, have covered it up for so long whilst profiting from their fallacious version is also of such a magnitude that it ought to be explained.
You question our intentions. I question ANYONE that invest ANY OF THEIR TIME into a falsehood and give ANY OF THEIR TIME to a leadership that promotes falsehoods. Our intention is to seek the absolute truth. What are we doing? We are here, sitting, waiting for an answer.
It is good to know from you about the intention of this forum and the importance you give to the revelation through BK's institution. But just read what mr green, who is also founder member I suppose, has written. In Post: All people hear my thoughts, page 3, on 26 Jul 2008,
mr green wrote: The 'truth' is quite simple, the Murlis were made up by a bunch of religious pundits ... I come on here to chat and gossip, it's great.
So who is correct? ex-I or mr green? Anyway as you have said your intention is to seek the absolute truth. I, too, have the same intention. But you have written (made bold) that you are here, sitting and waiting for an answer. But I am seeking truth within me. This makes vast difference between you and me.
I would like to give my opinion about your queries. I accept that there has been some editing while revising Murlis. I personally think that it has been started after Lekhraj Kirpalani left his body. And the reason according to me was that the BKs of that time could not explain the questions raised by some people. So to protect themselves from unanswerable questions they edited some of the Murli points. Regarding History of Yagya, I think it would not have been a difficult job if Indian government wanted to know it in the 1970's. Because many people, other than surrendered BKs, who were part of it were still alive then. But no one cared to know about it. Although surrendered BKs of that time are not saying anything about history of Yagnya, or have changed something while writing book on Lekhraj Kirpalani, I think it is because they wanted to avoid questions which they could not answer. I think there is no bad intention behind it.
Even now if Government of India, Pakistan and UK want to know the true history of Yagya, they can find it. But they do not know its importance. And people like you and me cannot get information from old surrenderred BKs because they do not want to give the information. They just do not want to give. People used to make a mockery of the BKs after the demise of Lekhraj Kirpalani and used to say that this institution will be closed soon. People never gave importance to them, i.e. BKs, and the history of Yagya even though Lekhraj Kirpalani had sent letters to M.K. Gandhi and the Royal family of Britain. It was their fault.
Now if someone wants it, they can try and get it. For PBKs, it is easiest because according to them Virendra Dev Dixit is the next birth of Sevakram and it is already three decades. Virendra Dev Dixit should have recollected all incidents of his previous birth. And also they say that Omniscient Supreme Soul Shiv acts as Teacher through Virendra Dev Dixit. You can ask Virendra Dev Dixit or his followers.
Now regarding your qestion about Shiv being introduced into the BK philosophy only after 1950 although, according to your sources, the Yagya started as early as 1932. And also regarding the explanation given by Virendra Dev Dixit that Supreme Soul Shiv through Sevakram told Lekhraj Kirpalani the meaning of visions he (i.e. Lekhraj Kirpalani) had. There have been many Murli points which indicates that no one explained Lekhraj Kirpalani about his visions and also that even Lekhraj Kirpalani did not know what was happening through him and who was doing it, and slowly he started understanding all that was happening with him.
Why was Shiv not introduced? Because Lekhraj Kirpalani himself did not know that It was Shiv. This is my opinion. I am giving few Murli points related to these. I have read these original Murlis and have Xerox copies of these Murlis with me now. (I am writing in Hindi only, anyone interested can get it translated.)
(9-5-85) page3: Baba ko sakshatkar hua samjha yah vinash hota hai. Sab jhat se chod diya. Aise thodehi usi samay samjha tamopradhan se satopradhan banana hai. Ab najdik aaye hain tab Baap kahate hain aadha kalp se tamopradhan banate aaye ho. Ab phir satopradhan banana hai.
(25-3-85) page1: Hamara Baba aaya hua hai drama plan anusar. Baap aate bhi hai ratri main. Kab aate hai? Uskee tithi tareekh koi nahi hain. Tithi tareekh unki hoti hai jo lokik janm lete hain. Yah to hai paarloukik Baap. Inka lokik janm nahi hain. Krishna ki tithi tareekh samay aadi sab dete hain. Inka to kaha jaata hai divya janm. Baap inme pravesh kar bataate hain ki yah behad ka drama hain.
(26-5-85) page2: Badai kiski nahi hain. Brahma ki badai tab hai jab Baap aakar pravesh karte hain. nahi to yah dhandha karta tha. Inko bhi thodehi pata tha - mere main bhagwaan aayenge. Baap ne pravesh kar samjhaya hai ki kaise maine inme pravesh kiya. Inko nimitt banaya ki Baap ka bankar Baap ko madad kaise deni chahiye. Isne bhi pahale pahale centre khola na. Baba ne inme pravesh kiya. Kaise? Inko dikhaya mera so tumhara. Tumhara so mera. Dekh lo. Tum mere madadgaar bante ho. Apne tan - man - dhan se. To unki eevaj tumko yah milega. Baap kahate hain mai sadharan tan main pravesh karta hoon. jo apne janmo ko nahi jaanate.Parantu main kab aata hoon. Kaise aata hoon. Yah kisko pata nahi hain.
(11-5-85) page2: Baba ko uchal aayi na. Oho. Baba vishwa ka malik banate hain, phir yah dhan maal kya karenge. Chodo sab. Jaise paagal hote hain na. Sab kahane lage inko baithe baithe kya hua. Dhandha aadi sab chodkar aa gaye. Khushi ka paara chadh gaya. Sakshaatkar hone lage. Rajaayi milnee hain. Parantu kaise milegi. Kya hoga yah kuch pata nahi. Bus milna hai. Usee khushi main sab chod diya. Phir dheere dheere knowledge miltee rahatee hai. Tum bacche yahaan school main aaye ho.
(1-4-85) page3: Yah bhi sunte hain, attention to hamaare oopar hai. yah bhi student hai. Yah apne ko aur kuch nahi kahate. Prajapita so bhi student hai. Bhal isne vinaash bhi dekha parantu samjha kuch bhi nahi. Aahiste aahiste samajhte gaye. jaie tum samajhate jaate ho. Baap tumko samjhate hai. Beech main yah bhi samajhate jaate hain. Padhate rahate hain. Harrek student purusharth karega padhane ka.
ex-l wrote: We are here, sitting, waiting for an answer. As shivsena points out ... no one is willing or able to provide one. Does that not seem strange to you?
Your question seems strange to me. What is Shivsena, Arjun, other PBKs and mbbhat, new nowledge, myself and few others trying to do here? Are we not trying to understand meaning of Murli points. But people like you are not interested in understanding Murli points, but are interested in scandals. You want some news and information which is bad. Sorry. I am here to understand Murli points and know and identify The GodFather Shiv.
According to my churning, Shiv cannot be understood without understanding Prajapita. So I am trying to understand The Prajapita who is The Corporeal Form of The GodFather Shiv. There are many points which seem contradictory but if understood properly can give us very clear understanding about The GodFather Shiv. And I am trying to open these knots. And you are more interested in unpicking these knots. In another thread you too have introduced yourself as knot unpicker. So, let us together unpick the knots of Murli points.
Why beg in front of those who are not willing to give information? In the Murli, it is said that when Father comes Yagya history will become clear. Let us concentrate more on what we can do and on what is in our hand. Why sit blaming those who do not want to cooperate?
Thanks.
Sanjeev.