Disc.CD No.408, dated 30.09.07 at Bombay
Part-I
Time: 0.01
Student: Baba, when someone leaves his body, then he (i.e. the dead body) is taken to the cremation ground for the last journey. Then, people say – Brother, take the name of Ram. The name of Ram is true. Why do they say like this?
Baba: It is said like this because when someone dies while being alive, then what fits into their intellect? Who is true? Is Krishna true, is Krishna the God of the Gita or is the incorporeal Ram through (the corporeal) Ram the God of the Gita?
Student: Ram.
Baba: So, in the end, when the world is destroyed it fits in everybody’s intellect in the end that ‘one’ is true and the rest are false. ‘One’ means the Father of all the human souls. He is the Father of the souls. He alone is true and what about the rest? All are false. So, they say in the end that the name of Ram is true. Now the end of everyone has arrived. Everyone will have to accept in the end that Ram alone is true, for whom it is said – ghat-ghat ramtey Ram Ramaiyya (Ram wanders everywhere, i.e. he is omnipresent). So, does He wander in the mind and intellect or does he wander by entering (in everyone)? He wanders in the mind and intellect.
Time: 02.10
Student: Those who are Narayans with lesser celestial degrees, who take fewer births, those who are not included in the four and a half lakhs. So, how do they receive the title of Narayan?
Baba: Is the task accomplished just by receiving the title? Is it good to receive a title or is it better to become an original one?
Student: To become an original one.
Baba: There are today’s kings. They were given the title of Maharaja. They did not become Raja; they did not become Maharaja, did they? So, this is a bad deal. Are they worshipped in the path of worship? Are temples built for the seven Narayans? Are their idols prepared? They are not prepared. Why they are not prepared? It is because they became instrumental in causing the Father’s defamation. That is why those who cause defamation of the Satguru cannot find accommodation.Even here, they do not get accommodation in the new world, the world established by the Father and complete in 16 celestial degrees. And even there those seven Narayans do not get accommodation in the temples.
Student: Baba, how do they receive the title of Narayan despite the fact that they defame the Satguru?
Baba: Narayan means ‘naar’, i.e. water of knowledge and ‘ayan’ means house. Will everyone have the same kind of knowledge? They cannot have the same kind of knowledge. They are more knowledgeful in their own groups. For example, the (soul of) Narayan, who is instrumental for Islam; the number of people belonging to Islam is in crores, but who is most knowledgeful among them? The second Narayan (of the Golden Age) pertaining to Islam is most knowledgeful in his group. Similar is the case with all the Narayans. The higher the level of Narayan, the more the level of his knowledge, but it is in his own group. It is tallied with respect to others. One is a community of donkeys. One is a community of lions. It is better to become a king of which community and it is better to become the child of which community? It is better if someone becomes even a child in the community of lions. And he would be like a lion; he will never deceive and go away.
Time: 14.00
Student: Baba, what is the spiritual secret behind the dispute that is going on over the Ram Setu (Adam’s bridge) now a days?
Baba: It is mentioned in the story that Ram had built a bridge from the Ram community to the Ravan community. Now the unrighteous Government has taken a decision to demolish that bridge. It is like this, isn’t it? So, even in the unlimited world of Brahmins, the bridge of knowledge that is built from the Advance Party to the basic knowledge; The Knowledge is reaching (from one end to the other end) or not? And are those with a stone-like intellect in the Advance Party floating on the ocean of knowledge or not? They are floating. Ravan, whose kingdom is going to be attacked, (is going to demolish) that bridge. So, does the one, whose kingdom is being attacked, break that bridge or does he leave it intact (barkaraar)? He demolishes it. It is his task to break it. And the task of those who are being attacked is to prevent the demolition of the bridge. It means that those who have a faith on Ram in the path of worship will get angry – the Ram Setu should not be demolished.
Even here in the world of Brahmins, those who have recognized Ram will not desire that this bridge should break or that the bridge of gems of knowledge should break. It is better if the contact continues. They will like to break the contact and we will like the contact to be established. We will gain victory only when they come in connection. If they do not come in connection at all, then on whom will we gain victory and if we do not gain victory, then how will we become victorious over the world? Do you want to become a ruler of the entire world or do you want to become a small Royal Officer ? They wish to save their small kingship. They wish ‘let it be saved as long as possible’. So, what do they do? They break the connection. If you go there, do not come here; if you come here do not go there.
Student: Baba, but the stones of the Ram Setu are heavy at present, are they not? If they are immersed in water, they are now heavy, are they not? And when they become light, they will come to the surface.
Baba: Will they become light? Is it a about the physical stones or is it about the human beings with a monkey-like intellect? When the burden of sins increases a lot, then they develop a stone-like intellect. What? The more The Knowledge increases, when someone goes on receiving Godly knowledge, then the dynamics of charity and sins becomes very deep.When someone commits sins in the lokik world, then one time sin is accumulated and in the alokik world, after becoming a child of the Father if someone commits sins, then one accumulates hundred times, thousand times sins. So, when does someone develop a stone-like intellect? Now.
Time: 18.00
Student: Baba, intelligent persons will not believe without proof. So are these intelligent people from the outside world or from among the BKs or from among the PBKs?
Baba: They are everywhere. Who has the highest intellect among all the intelligent ones? ShivBaba has the highest intellect among all the intelligent ones. Do those who are intelligent keep proofs or do the fools keep proofs? Those who are intelligent keep proofs of every matter. Suppose someone travelled by a train or by aeroplane. Is the ticket that one received while travelling a proof or not? It is a proof. If they are intelligent, they will carefully keep the proof of tickets. Why? In today’s world one does not know when someone may get into a crisis, when someone may have to face a false case. So, if the ticket is available, then they will show it in the court that look I was travelling here. How did I kill him?
Student: They also get false tickets prepared.
Baba: So, that attracts hundred times more burden (of sins).
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
Part-I
Time: 0.01
Student: Baba, when someone leaves his body, then he (i.e. the dead body) is taken to the cremation ground for the last journey. Then, people say – Brother, take the name of Ram. The name of Ram is true. Why do they say like this?
Baba: It is said like this because when someone dies while being alive, then what fits into their intellect? Who is true? Is Krishna true, is Krishna the God of the Gita or is the incorporeal Ram through (the corporeal) Ram the God of the Gita?
Student: Ram.
Baba: So, in the end, when the world is destroyed it fits in everybody’s intellect in the end that ‘one’ is true and the rest are false. ‘One’ means the Father of all the human souls. He is the Father of the souls. He alone is true and what about the rest? All are false. So, they say in the end that the name of Ram is true. Now the end of everyone has arrived. Everyone will have to accept in the end that Ram alone is true, for whom it is said – ghat-ghat ramtey Ram Ramaiyya (Ram wanders everywhere, i.e. he is omnipresent). So, does He wander in the mind and intellect or does he wander by entering (in everyone)? He wanders in the mind and intellect.
Time: 02.10
Student: Those who are Narayans with lesser celestial degrees, who take fewer births, those who are not included in the four and a half lakhs. So, how do they receive the title of Narayan?
Baba: Is the task accomplished just by receiving the title? Is it good to receive a title or is it better to become an original one?
Student: To become an original one.
Baba: There are today’s kings. They were given the title of Maharaja. They did not become Raja; they did not become Maharaja, did they? So, this is a bad deal. Are they worshipped in the path of worship? Are temples built for the seven Narayans? Are their idols prepared? They are not prepared. Why they are not prepared? It is because they became instrumental in causing the Father’s defamation. That is why those who cause defamation of the Satguru cannot find accommodation.Even here, they do not get accommodation in the new world, the world established by the Father and complete in 16 celestial degrees. And even there those seven Narayans do not get accommodation in the temples.
Student: Baba, how do they receive the title of Narayan despite the fact that they defame the Satguru?
Baba: Narayan means ‘naar’, i.e. water of knowledge and ‘ayan’ means house. Will everyone have the same kind of knowledge? They cannot have the same kind of knowledge. They are more knowledgeful in their own groups. For example, the (soul of) Narayan, who is instrumental for Islam; the number of people belonging to Islam is in crores, but who is most knowledgeful among them? The second Narayan (of the Golden Age) pertaining to Islam is most knowledgeful in his group. Similar is the case with all the Narayans. The higher the level of Narayan, the more the level of his knowledge, but it is in his own group. It is tallied with respect to others. One is a community of donkeys. One is a community of lions. It is better to become a king of which community and it is better to become the child of which community? It is better if someone becomes even a child in the community of lions. And he would be like a lion; he will never deceive and go away.
Time: 14.00
Student: Baba, what is the spiritual secret behind the dispute that is going on over the Ram Setu (Adam’s bridge) now a days?
Baba: It is mentioned in the story that Ram had built a bridge from the Ram community to the Ravan community. Now the unrighteous Government has taken a decision to demolish that bridge. It is like this, isn’t it? So, even in the unlimited world of Brahmins, the bridge of knowledge that is built from the Advance Party to the basic knowledge; The Knowledge is reaching (from one end to the other end) or not? And are those with a stone-like intellect in the Advance Party floating on the ocean of knowledge or not? They are floating. Ravan, whose kingdom is going to be attacked, (is going to demolish) that bridge. So, does the one, whose kingdom is being attacked, break that bridge or does he leave it intact (barkaraar)? He demolishes it. It is his task to break it. And the task of those who are being attacked is to prevent the demolition of the bridge. It means that those who have a faith on Ram in the path of worship will get angry – the Ram Setu should not be demolished.
Even here in the world of Brahmins, those who have recognized Ram will not desire that this bridge should break or that the bridge of gems of knowledge should break. It is better if the contact continues. They will like to break the contact and we will like the contact to be established. We will gain victory only when they come in connection. If they do not come in connection at all, then on whom will we gain victory and if we do not gain victory, then how will we become victorious over the world? Do you want to become a ruler of the entire world or do you want to become a small Royal Officer ? They wish to save their small kingship. They wish ‘let it be saved as long as possible’. So, what do they do? They break the connection. If you go there, do not come here; if you come here do not go there.
Student: Baba, but the stones of the Ram Setu are heavy at present, are they not? If they are immersed in water, they are now heavy, are they not? And when they become light, they will come to the surface.
Baba: Will they become light? Is it a about the physical stones or is it about the human beings with a monkey-like intellect? When the burden of sins increases a lot, then they develop a stone-like intellect. What? The more The Knowledge increases, when someone goes on receiving Godly knowledge, then the dynamics of charity and sins becomes very deep.When someone commits sins in the lokik world, then one time sin is accumulated and in the alokik world, after becoming a child of the Father if someone commits sins, then one accumulates hundred times, thousand times sins. So, when does someone develop a stone-like intellect? Now.
Time: 18.00
Student: Baba, intelligent persons will not believe without proof. So are these intelligent people from the outside world or from among the BKs or from among the PBKs?
Baba: They are everywhere. Who has the highest intellect among all the intelligent ones? ShivBaba has the highest intellect among all the intelligent ones. Do those who are intelligent keep proofs or do the fools keep proofs? Those who are intelligent keep proofs of every matter. Suppose someone travelled by a train or by aeroplane. Is the ticket that one received while travelling a proof or not? It is a proof. If they are intelligent, they will carefully keep the proof of tickets. Why? In today’s world one does not know when someone may get into a crisis, when someone may have to face a false case. So, if the ticket is available, then they will show it in the court that look I was travelling here. How did I kill him?
Student: They also get false tickets prepared.
Baba: So, that attracts hundred times more burden (of sins).
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.