Yes, they are full of manipulation, cajoling, threats, brainwashing etc ... he is beating stone intellects to try and break them.
jannisder wrote:People don't know anything they are like those who are uneducated, they are completely senseless
I agree that the Murlis are intended for those that have
conditioned to believe in and accept them BUT I also accept that it take no great intelligence to decode, analyse or even pass judgment on them. And the truth is ... honestly ... they are not that great reading. Nor is Lekhraj Kirpalani particularly enlightened through out them all.
I apologise to the PBKs who place great respect in them and invest great efforts in attempting to decode them. But I think as a community we have to stand back and accept the views of "God's other children", e.g. humanity as a whole.
One comment I would like to make regarding this stuff of "uneducated". Reading all the original documents from the 30s, I see an intellectual insecurity, or even envy, in Lekhraj Kirpalani and the Om Mandlites. Their obvious "opponents", Mukhi Mangharam and many of the Sindhi Panchyats were HIGHLY educated and obviously intelligent. I actually believe that prior to the ruckus, they were trying to talk sense and reason to Lekhraj Kirpalani etc. (And, of course, we have the untold history of his partner and his group of Om Mandli supporters to consider).
Lekhraj Kirpalani was not educated. Neither were the great majority of his followers. Despite any virtues, you see that still today. And yet the early messages were full of accusations that the others were "uneducated ... unself-realised ...
illiterates" even - when many of the Om Mandli follower ACTUALLY were literally illiterate and so on.
Until proven otherwise, I take the rationalist approach and my feeling is that they were taking the accusations made against them ... and then turned them back against their accusers. Hence all the uneducated, unself-realised stuff. It fits in which the psycho-drama they were all going through.
When I was a BK, I immediate thought that SOME of the Murlis were LR speaking. This was always vigorously disputed by the sweet but deluded center-in-charge (who eventually left Gyan) and is brushed aside by both parties by the impossible and very Hindu way of thinking that, "oh, it was him but he was in God's remembrance so everything he says at all times is Shrimat". As other raise, when did exactly Lekhraj Kirpalani become enlightened?
Now, since the revelation of 20 years of God Brahma and no God Shiva, I think it is all Lekhraj Kirpalani speaking. It may be Lekhraj Kirpalani in a relatively high state of consciousness ... but only relative to his supporters. That is to say, intellectually, it is not aimed too high ... which is why Western and intellectual BK drift back off into Toaism, New Age, business philosophies and their own opinions. I play the heretic and say, it really is not nourishing nor sustaining enough on its own. I mean, some of the Taoist or Sufi or even modern texts runs rings around it.
Someone on this forum once said that "God (when in Gulzar) speaks with a lower middle class Indian accent" and that, to me, I think is reminisce of Lekhraj Kirpalani. The BKs are incredibly protective and secretive of their Murlis and no wonder. Honestly, it is not enough to say they are only for the initiate ... it is also to admit that some of what is said is pretty awful and only time will tell who or what is behind it.
Having said that, yes, it is also true that like any Hindi or other scripture, they need commentaries to explain but, particularly within the BKWSU environment, they are present and taken literally. I think Lekhraj Kirpalani needs to find more challenging company to bring the best out of him ... BUT like any successful politician or popular leader, he speaks at the level of his primary audience. I also don't believe that they were meant to be set in concrete and "scripturized" as we are attempting.
My 2c ... it someone want to correct me view, or tell me precisely what they are meant for, please do.