Welcome to the forum Master-Creator!
I myself joined this forum only a few months ago and I have taken benefit from it. I would say that basically this forum is about Truth. I think this is what motivates most if not everyone here.
Truth is multifaceted. One way it is addressed here is by trying to establish the historical truth of how this organization, its knowledge and beliefs took birth and evolved. Although still incomplete, I have learned more about the true history of "my" BK family in a few weeks here, from people that are considered as outcast and anti by the BK management than in 24 years as a BK.
Another aspect is that this forum is trying to establish the truth about what is currently happening in the BK politics and image building, what is happening behind the scenes and is evidently willingly kept secret and hidden from by the management.
I also see a genuine effort to maintain truth in relationships and communications within the forum itself.
Master-Creator wrote:I am a soul that is truth. My Father is God Father Shiva - Supreme Soul - that is truth. I am in the process of becoming pure through meditation and God comes through an ordinary medium which is Brahma Baba - even that is truth! ... I tend to agree with the BKs that Shiv Baba comes into the subtle body of Brahma Baba and then both, i.e. combined form, enters Dadi Gulzar's body.
Despite everything I read here I still believe that all that is true and feel that it is where I belong.
Truth is a very interesting topic. I find it fascinating. To a great extent my BK life has been a journey of Truth: truth about God, truth about myself, truth in my relationships with others and truth in my relationship with the whole creation. Truth is about understanding and it is something dynamic, evolving. Understanding is made of logic but also of feelings. How do I understand my mother, my friend, my child? A lot of it is with my heart. How will I understand those who think differently, have different beliefs, different values, those who may hurt me? How can I understand myself? How can I understand and thus know God? I think it is a mix of logic and feelings and I think love is a useful ingredient in the mix.
As I said somewhere else, to me the main thing is the expression of Truth in action, in relationships, in feelings towards the self an others, through love, understanding, respect, warmth, generosity, honesty, happiness, humility... To me this is the ultimate Truth that I am aiming for. Any truth that doesn't bear the fruits of benevolence and justice is to a large extent irrelevant to me.
john wrote:The main point as I see it, 'where is God Father Shiva now'? For a Brahmin in the Yagya, that IS the importance of knowledge, to find the true ShivaBaba. Purity is gained through correct remembrance, if ShivaBaba is not remembered in the correct way will that lead to complete purity?
It is said in the Murlis that we remember God in Bakhti but we don't get much out of it because we do not know him accurately. It is also said that very few know him as he is.
I can only say that my understanding of knowledge and my experiments with remembrance within the limits of my understanding have benefited me a lot in many ways and I definitely became a much better and more truthful person.
The first time I went to Madhuban I had full faith that it was God speaking the Murlis, whether they were Sakar or Avyakt Murlis and I had never paid too much attention to Brahma Baba. It was interesting for me to, at my own surprise, have the distinct feeling of the two personalities of Shiv Baba and Brahma Baba in Dadi Gulzar's body when I was receiving my personal blessing from Baba. These were the good old days when we still had personal meetings.
I am not sure if I could express or define more clearly what the distinction was between the two and it is certainly not something I can prove but I consider it as an important element in my personal journey towards Truth.
I am aware of the debate about where Shiva actually is but, in terms of accurate remembrance and personal benefits, I wonder how much it matters. When I remember someone I love, wherever that person is at that moment, I can feel his/her personality and enjoy his/her company, so to speak. I feel I am spending a nice time with him/her and I believe that something is being communicated subtly between us. Similarly, when I have a good time remembering Shiv Baba and I am being healed and I am gaining strength by spending time in his/her subtle company, does it matter so much where he/she is at that time?
Now, I am not discarding the possibility that the PBKs could be right about Shiv Baba using a different Chariot and that I could have been wrong all that time. I have been investigating that possibility by talking with PBK and ex-PBK friends and gathering information from their website but, although there is much that I like about them, their dharna and their explanations of Gyan, I have yet to be convinced.