celticgyan wrote:Are Seniors beginning to behave like Gurus? Is ego taking over? I had that experience in London followed by a group of Indian Sisters who thought I was nothing more than a Taxi driver!
Its interesting. You know the old Murli quotes, "you do not follow bodily gurus etc"? As BK, we were arrogantly led to believe that this did not aply to us and that we were superior to those stupid bhagats and their gurus outside the Yagya etc ... I was always a little uncomfortable with that as I thought their was a hell of a lot of sucking up to the Kripalani Klan and if it was not Bhakti, then surely Sisters were in love with them.
Well, the funny thing is ... it seems is the PBKs reckon that all the critical Murli points refer NOT to the outside world but the inside Yagya world. So when BapDada say, "no bodily gurus" what he is actually say is "those bodily gurus inside the BKWSU". So His answer to your question is, YES! Look at the Tamp BKWSU thread with this BK Naina running some woman's life for her. No wonder the BKs are ****** at the PBKs for pointing that one out! But it is basic psychology. The psychotic sees faults in others rather than looks for fault within the self.
Its the "No-Guru Guru System" (Oh, and BB's not a Guru either - denial). The same human foible that Krishnamurti was dragged into. But, the BKs have turned it into a mutli-level marketing Franchised system. "You follow us and do what we say and You, Too can be a BK No-Guru Guru in your town or city ... all it costs is all of your life payable in easy installments until death". And, yes, the Sisters are used to Brothers lifting boxes and being taxi drivers. At least in lokik life you might get laid for doing it; in Gyan, you have to wait 2,500 years!
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Krishnamurti wrote:Q: I am confused about what path to follow. There are so many gurus and self-appointed teachers. Some of them have amazing and attractive personalities. They seem to speak with authority. They walk and talk with such confidence.
Krishnamurti's Answer: There are so many gurus in the (BK) world, the hidden ones and the open ones. Each of them promises that, through conformity to a certain system or method, the mind will arrive at that realization of what truth is; but no system or method -- which implies imitation, conformity, following, and thereby fear -- has any significance whatever for a mind that is enquiring into this whole question of life, a question which needs such a delicate, highly sensitive intelligent mind.
The guru is supposed to know and you not to know. He is supposed to be far advanced in evolution and has therefore immense knowledge. And you, who are down below, are gradually going to come to that highest form of knowledge. This whole hierarchical system - which exists not only outwardly in society but also inwardly and among the so-called gurus - is obviously, when one is enquiring into what is truth, an illusion.
There is no path to truth. There is not your path or my path. There is no Christian way to it, or Hindu way to it. A 'way' implies a static process to something which is also static. There is a way from here to that next village, the village is firmly there, rooted in the buildings, and there is a road to it. But truth is not like that, it is a living thing, a moving thing and therefore there can be no path to it, neither yours nor mine nor theirs.
To proceed with this problem, to learn, to see, there must be the quietness of a mind that is not broken up, that is not torn apart, that is not tortured. If I want to see something very clearly, The Tree, or the cloud, or the face of a person next to me, to see clearly without any distortion, the mind must not be chattering, obviously. The mind must be very quiet to observe, to see. And the very seeing is the doing and the learning. (J. Krishnamurti)
My words in red!