Karma. Why did Islam Invade Bharath and Give Sorrow?

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Karma. Why did Islam Invade Bharath and Give Sorrow?

Post11 Sep 2022

According to karma Bharath must have invaded Islam and given sorrow to Islam, so Islam came back and give sorrow to Bharath

Why did Ravan give sorrow to Bharath?

Bharath must have given sorrow Rama must have given sorrow to Ravana and according to karma Ravan give back sorrow to Rama

Why did black people become slaves to white men?
Black people must have kept white men as a slave so karma is doing its job

Why did white men colonize Africa Asia South America India?
These countries and people must have colonized white and looted their wealth and treated them as a slave so karma bites back.

I would like Arjun to ask this question to Baba dev Dixit. Or anyone other than PBK can answer the question. I do not expect any answer from BKs because they do not think.

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Re: Karma. Why did Islam Invade Bharath and Give Sorrow

Post11 Sep 2022

The Murli says, if you give sorrow you get sorrow in return, Or if you give peace you get peace in return. So Bharat and Hindus must have given so much sorrow to the east India company, Otherwise, according to karma how can the east India company give sorrow to Bharath? In history, we do not see any proof for Bharath or Hindu Sikh Pakistani or Bangladeshi giving sorrow to white men.

In that case, the entire karma theory must be subtle and meaningful to the Subtle Region and meaningless to the real world.

When we ask Baba why are some gundas trying to attack me and then he said you must have done something when you were a king

If someone is raped by a rapist he must have raped the rapist in the past birth, So the Jews must have gas-chambered Germans and Hitler in the past life. But when you look at the history there was nothing wrong with Jews in the past 2000 years old history. And we do not see germans undergoing any punishment so definitely they cannot be wrong they have settled with Jews

We do not see India invading England or black people invading America in history, We had not a history of Africa doing bad things to others. Again the one who did bad (the white man seems to be living a happy life with all looted wealth and still superior to Africa India Pakistan or Mexico). Anybody has the answer to this

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Remembering Supreme Soul

Post11 Sep 2022

The Murli ( both BK or PBKs) states that you should forget the body and remember the Supreme Soul
When you try to remember an invisible it will make you absent-minded, and you cannot simultaneously remember the Supreme Soul, and soul and be aware of your body and its duty.

On the other side, knowledge says you must be ruling your body, To rule your body you must be conscious that you have a body and you must feel the ruling in the body. Otherwise, your absent mind will continue to increase and you will be lost in the world as a maniac. It is a very good concept you rule the body, but how can you rule the body when you are told to forget the body? You are told to think about the soul sitting on the forehead and the other side, you are told to forget the body and bodily being. In that case, how can you rule the body? You are told to drive the body and you are told to remember Paramatma at the same time. If you do that at the same time you will be lost in time, you forget to turn off the light, you forget your phone and you will be invaded by foreign thoughts. But you are told to be yourself. Here everything is contradictory. The question is just like Hinduism lost in the lies did The Knowledge undergoing lies because the drama has to repeat everything good and bad?

The Knowledge says you are lustful and teaching expects you to be celebrating, and only according to numberwise people get ruling power. In that case, 99% of the children are lustful and if you put them in a room they will have sex with each other or they may think about having sex outside the gathering. Baba cannot give you ruling power overnight says The Knowledge. And there is no way you can be free from sex overnight if you are a lustful thorn. If you have no lust then you should not be a student according to study. And we do not see gradual uplifting by Paramatma in both parties. You are told you will become diety in the end when the destruction starts until then you are doing pursuant. It has been going on since 1937 and students must be 90% ready. But when you look at BKs they are smiling like a Bollywood film star and pretending happy. And parks look like beggars and are lost in translation. Is it not the same thing Islam teaches in the end you will go to heaven?

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Re: Karma, Why did Islam ivade bharath and gave sorrow

Post11 Sep 2022

This sounds like Muhammed had sex with his sibling, I cannot see people having free from sex lust overnight, and the teaching says you will become free from sex lust in the end. And they expect you to be celebrating and not get angry and not get attached. But only in the end do you become perfect. So it should be gradual and why do you expect no sex when you are supposed to achieve that by purusharth for a long time (100) years? What is the point of purusharth then?

We do not know who is having sex with who? because it is impossible to control sex and mind overnight? Paramathma does not need to take responsibility he is just a Bindu, he taught sweat teaching in 1937 and now he is telling those are devils and those who follow Brahma are devils. But Virendra deva looks like he is in100% or 90% anxious and he is not a gentleman yet. So he has not controlled the sex lust. But when will he be a gentleman and when will he control the sex lust? BKs does behave like a gentleman but it is all acting like movie stars and pretending to be pure.

If you have controlled your sex lust already why do you do purusharth to control sex lust?
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Re: Karma. Why did Islam Invade Bharath and Give Sorrow

Post06 Nov 2023

According to karma Bharath must have invaded Islam and given sorrow to Islam, so Islam came back and give sorrow to Bharath. Why did Ravan give sorrow to Bharath? Bharath must have given sorrow Rama must have given sorrow to Ravana and according to karma Ravan give back sorrow to Rama

Why did black people become slaves to white men? Black people must have kept white men as a slave so karma is doing its job.

Why did white men colonize Africa Asia South America India? These countries and people must have colonized white and looted their wealth and treated them as a slave so karma bites back.

This is a very superficial understanding of the Law of Karma. Unfortunately most people in India, irrespective of whether they are BKs or non BKs, have only rudimentary level understanding of such concepts and therefore tend to trivialize such thought provoking concepts. It is this same thinking which makes some ignorant people, who think of themselves as spiritual, blame rape victims, cancer patients etc for their tragedies and suffering by blaming it all on their karma.

First, in order to understand this, we have to look at things from a 'micro level'. Once our understanding gets matured, only then we can think about collective karmic accounts of a set of people, be it religion, nation, race etc.

Firstly, not everything is revolving in a circle. There are new karmas and old karmas and they constantly change their equation, and the equilibrium is in a constant flux. If everything was a knee-jerk reaction of a previously done discrete action which happened at some time in the past, we would be just a set of Newton's Cradle, not dissimilar to the infinite loop of a 5000 year old (you can assign any random value here) cycle. What a sad little world that would be. What an utter waste of seemingly infinite existence staring us right in our faces!

To anyone whose outlook has been changed from a body centric to a consciousness centric one, these things are very easy to perceive. And to those whose haven't, these things will make little sense even if you give this kind of thinking an honest try. Look, we are a sum total of all the collective experiences we have had over the past. Everything has consciousness and that consciousness evolves right from subatomic particles to amoeba to the most intelligent human being and beyond that. We, as a consciouness, have undergone a tremendous amount of evolution and this is a constant and ever forward-moving process. There is no discrete action happening in a vacuum that you can separate, and apply cause and effect relationship so simply.

If I, as a human being, do an action like hurting someone, a lot of factors including my level of evolution, circumstances, the motive of that 'karma' etc will determine the effect it will have on my consciousness. The one thing that is certain is that it will have an impact on my consciousness like any other karma. This impact will modify my consciousness and I will 'attract'/manifest physical circumstances as a consequence of this which, inturn, will have further effect on it and it will evolve further an the journey goes on ...
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Re: Karma. Why did Islam Invade Bharath and Give Sorrow

Post08 Nov 2023

human being wrote:some ignorant people, who think of themselves as spiritual, blame rape victims, cancer patients etc for their tragedies and suffering by blaming it all on their karma.

Well, that definitely includes the BKs concept of it. In the West, they argued that what happened to the Jews in WWII was their own fault. Or the Asians suffering from the various Tsunamis.

Yes, at the most basic level they operate at, it works as a tool of social control based on the fear that what I do to you, will return exactly to me like some simple mechanical operation, without having a clue how. They show their followers terrible occurrences and tell that it is the victims own fault, and the only way to burn away bad karma is do more of their meditation.

As an aside, I stuck around with the BKs for FAR too long in a false belief that within the organisation there would be some deeper, better understanding of such spiritual matters.

There really is not. There is no depth to it all. No where at all. It's really just about stupefaction and conformity, putting on a facade of religiosity, in order to reap financial and societal benefits and submitting to their spirits. Becoming passive mediums for them.

Osho, the famous/notorious guru figure defined the BKs fairly well in 1980 (he was based in Mount Abu for a while).
India has given birth to two of the most stupid religious movements. One is Hare Krishna - that has become worldwide. The other is these Brahma Kumaris, it has not reached the whole world, it has remained confined to India. They talk utter nonsense, and they talk with authority. And they go on saying everything.

This date that you mention that in 1987 this world will end... This date has changed many times in thirty years, and it will change again. But fools are fools. '87 is not far away, only seven years. And you will see that in '87 it will become something else - '97 or 2000 will be exact, the right time.

It goes on, it goes on changing. And people are so foolish, they go on believing. ...

I can see how simple theories of karma work in small, tribal communities that we used to live in. Not realistically mechanical but just in the way that, e.g. if you get a reputation as a thief or a liar, you'd be cut out of good society etc. But not on a global scale. I've often ask them to explain the mechanics of how karma works, or through what medium karma works, but they have no clue. It's just about conforming to what the Seniors say.

Dadi Janki often used to say it blunting, i.e. to stop thinking too much, stop asking question. Especially she, as allegedly one of the highest top 8 souls in all existence, couldn't answer.

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