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Author | Message | Atma
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:53 pm Post subject: Aidan |
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| Tete wrote in BK / XBK
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Frank,
After Stephan Nagel then came John Kane (English), Joy (English),
Madaline (English), Nik C. (Italian), 8/2/75 Charlie (OZ), Simon(OZ,
Ken(OZ), Michael Timmins(OZ), Maureen & David (English), Waddy
(Irish) and then a group of about thrity (1976-1977) in England (Julian
was in this group).
There was a couple of Westerners that met Brahma Baba in Mt. Abu
in the sixties, but never became BKs.
This I have been told.
Regards,
Tete |
Tete's post made me think about something. Usually, I am
reluctant to name individuals and discuss them on this forum. However,
I am making an exception in this case, as I think it's important. I
have chosen this hidden forum to discuss this, as a way of being more
discreet.
Tete has given names, and even dates, of some individuals who
"came into the knowledge" very early in the history of the BKs in the
west. However, one name is missing and I wonder why?
During my time in the BKs, a looooong time ago, I heard quite a
bit about a western BK. I never met this brother but here is the
essence of what I heard:
* He is British and his name is Aidan.
* He is brilliant, very well educated - a double MSc - and is a
talented scientist. During my first visit to Abu, in the season of 79 /
80, I read, and was very impressed with a paper which (I heard) was
co-written by him.
* He was one of the first (if not the first) Westerners (European) to come in contact with
the BKs. He was travelling through India and literally stumbled on Madhuban.
* He became a very prominent Brahma Kumar, and was frequently on
stage at BK functions and programs. He had several personal meetings
with Baapdada and was mentioned by name by BD sometimes.
* He learnt Hindi and was nearly fluent in it.
* He followed Shrimath completely - down to the finer aspects of
Baapdada's mariadas.
* After several years with the BKs - to the shock of many - he
abruptly left the path. He hinted at a "need to balance self and
service" (ie maybe he felt he was being used)
* He got married to a beautiful woman.
* Dadi Janki told a gathering of British BKs words to this
effect: "I know that, even though you have not asked me, you all want to
know why Aidan left. Well, I'll tell you. It's his ego". (A typical
and predictable reaction, I suppose).
I have written this - not out of a mischievous desire to "out"
this distinguished brother - but because of Aidan's significance and his
very early involvement with the BKs. I am sure that XBKs based in the
UK would know of Aidan. Can any of you shed some light? I heard that
even after leaving, he was invited to and attended BK functions and -
on the surface at least - his relations with them was cordial.
Where is he now? What is he doing? Does he still have contact
with the BKs? Is he in contact with fellow XBKs? Does he know about
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Tete
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Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 169
| Posted: Mon Dec
12, 2005 8:24 pm Post
subject: Aidan |
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| Atma,
If Aidan was left out it was not intentional, I never knew of
Aidan and I was simply being told this before rushing to work, with the
one that told me. As you know I don't know much about the religious
aspects and therefore would know even less about those that followed.
Please feel free to amend the post.
The ones I have met are still in contact although not as frequent
as before. It must seem like a surprise to you that I don't know many
things, but it is the truth. It would seem I have an encyclopedia in
the house and yet find myself here asking questions.
I will put it in its simpler terms; last year when we went to see
Dadi Janki I had no idea I was suppose to get in line and didn't! I
read today's post by Howiemac and thought Oh BOY! Don't even know the
protocol.
I am not a dumb woman by any means I just didn't know any of
this. I am gradually coming back to where I was before
everything blew up in my face.
I somehow just don’t feel the love in how you phrase things to me
here. I would
hope you would see I am just trying to get my life back. I worked very
hard to make a better world. Naive perhaps! This is who I am, someone healing her
wounds and trying to make the best of it while struggling to make sense
of it.
Regards,
Tete |
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Atma
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Joined: 26 Feb 2004 Posts: 98
| Posted: Mon Dec
12, 2005 9:08 pm Post
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| Tete
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I somehow just don’t feel the love in how you phrase things to me
here. I would hope you would see I am just trying to get my life
back....I am, someone healing her wounds and trying to make the best of
it while struggling to make sense of it. |
My dearest Tete,
Please know that in no way
was I implying that the omission of Aidan was deliberate, or that you
are at fault in any way. NO!!! Not at all. It is as you say, you are
getting your information from other sources and, having never been on
the inside, you rely on those sources. I understand the limitations of
that.
Actually, I value your posts very much and have the highest
regard for your integrity and intelligence. Anyway, I still apologise.
With love
Atma |
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gyaniwasi
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Joined: 22 Feb 2004 Posts: 167
| Posted: Fri Dec
16, 2005 10:25 pm Post
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| Hi Atma,
I recall some mention of Aidan being somewhere in South America.
Like you, I'm curious about his experience. I remember him, and most of
those early brothers and sisters from the London and Australian centres,
as being very warm people - just as I experienced the Indian brothers
and sisters as being very warm and hospitable.
Aidan struck me as very versatile and of course very serviceable
in those days. I recall him singing the early gyan songs in one of the
sub-dialects of Hindi - something sounding like "canada". That was in
1978 in New Dehli. A few years later he and some other talented brothers
- including Eugene - made a beautiful album called "Diamond Harbour".
The lyrics and arrangements were superb for that time of the century, to
say the least. Ken O'Donnel from Australia - who later migrated to
Brazil - also wrote a beautiful book of poems much of which was later
put to music. I think I might still have a copy of that cassette
somewhere. You should be familiar with some of this judging from the
length of your association.
But back to Aidan: I remember a short story by him published in
one of the World Renewal magazines. I think it was about a king who fell
from grace but then through (BK) 'self knowledge' realised his mistakes
and so turned around to face their consequences with that strength.
That story was based on the power of recognizing one's 'karma' and left
a lasting impression on me. I have no recollection of Aidan being
egoistic, but then I didn't know him well. Like you, I can understand
Dadi Janki's style of BK 'summary judgement.' I also have fond memories
of Simon (who I learnt later migrated to the US), and Terry from
Australia, and Julian and Wadi and Joy. Does anyone remember Wesley
from Jamaica and Garfield from Trinidad? They were both in London at
that time. Wesley had a soft and silky voice and sang beautifully.
That London group was truly talented. Ah, those were short but
memorable days!
One person whose story I'd love to hear directly is Heidi, who
walked aside and formed her own group then almost led them to a 'mass
suicide'... I hope one day they can find this site and share their
reflections with us.
Warm regards,
Gy _________________ "Those were the days my friend
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject: Old Ones |
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| Aidan Walker has a wife and couple of kids, studied
English at Cambridge Uni, very hard working (works as an Editor), hard
working in life and play, very talented, about 53, latest photo of new
baby (a spanking new motorcycle) , studied Hindi, multi-talented, great
person/friend. (Lived with Aidan and Charlie in early days in England)
Ken: Talented beyond measure, High IQ (one of the brightest I
have met), in Brazil last 25 years, well known in So. America. Has made
many music CDs (some here at our house), Senior BK in So. America,
written many books, often on Brazilian TV, about 53 years old.
Originally from Sydney.
Eugene: Talented as a child always talking about the scientific
method
and other wonders of the world at an early age and even more impressive
as an adult. He is a great father, husband and educator. Good memories
of him and his family.
Michael Timmins: Still with BKs, Joe (brother), and Margaret still in Sydney.
Waddy: Still in Florida with BKs.
Charlie: Still in Sydney.
Rob: In Costa Rica being Rob.
Pat: In love, living life with a wonderful woman.
xBK | |
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Tete
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| Posted: Thu Dec
22, 2005 9:13 pm Post
subject: Thank You |
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| Atma,
Thank you and have a happy Holiday Season. Sorry for the delay,
it is often hard to be chatty about these matters. I understand that
Atma means soul. Still learning..........
Regards,
Tete |
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Tete
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| Posted: Fri Dec
23, 2005 2:12 pm Post
subject: Humble Pie |
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| Atma,
I have given some thought about why I responded in such a raw
(transparent way) to your question about Aidan. I have become so fragile. I kid you not when I say I didn't know. That is why I
realize I saw many things and didn't even know what I was seeing (I was
never told).
Hope you understand and that we are good.
Regards,
Tete |
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Atma
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Joined: 26 Feb 2004 Posts: 98
| Posted: Fri Dec
23, 2005 8:34 pm Post
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| Tete,
We are definitely good.
Enjoy the holidays. |
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tween
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Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 9 Location: UK
| Posted: Sat Dec
24, 2005 4:38 am Post
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| Waddy.
She thinks I'm her mother in a previous life.
Allow me to explain..
When I started out on my BK path I contacted the US site [pre-UK
site days] and offered my skills.
From then we developed into email buddies.
Once she noted that she always contacted me to tell me about
where she was going on her travels. "It's like you're my mother" she
said.
And I divined a bit and said "Yes, do you remember the valley we
lived in and the horses?"
She was quite shaken, "Yes.. actually we DID live in a valley
with horses"
I think we both laughed that spiritual knowing laugh to
ourselves.
One day I'm down at GRC and there is this Irish sister giving Murli
lessons and drishti. And it was during drishti that we both felt each other. That was quite something. We'd neve seen each other before, but
both recognised each other at that moment.
Years later, subsequent to my drifting away, I took a girlfriend
[victoria] at the time to GRC and Waddy was there [again]. We had a
lovely time and ate lunch with Waddy. She said things about Victoria's
relationship with her father [who was very overpowering] that victoria
had never realised without knowing anything about it.
A very lovely and perceptive and powerful soul. I miss her.
I had no idea she was 'one of the first westerners' till
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 8:16 pm Post subject: | |
| tween should not have posted here, as he did not have
permission as required for this exclusive forum. However, in view of
his apparent xBK status, we extend the invitation retrospectively and
hence his infraction is cured.
tween may post here and in all other forums of XBKchat.
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tween
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| Posted: Wed Dec
28, 2005 7:59 am Post
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administrator
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should not have posted here, as he did not have permission as required
for this exclusive forum. However, in view of his apparent xBK status,
we extend the invitation retrospectively and hence his infraction is
cured.
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Apologies, I hadn't realised I was in the closed forum. Thanks
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