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kyra · Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 66

Well folks, I went shopping last night and bought my first onion in like forever and cut it up and used it in my cooking Very Happy

I also bought some eggs too Razz

Strange how you get so used to not eating something, but I searched high and low for a reason not to eat these things (I still am vegetarian though), the reasons given for not eating these things have never really made any sense to me. I figure as long as the chicken is a free range one and its not fed on meat products like some can be - then why not, after all its a natural process that the chicken goes through.

As for the onion in my cooking, it was delicious! Laughing

hanuman · Joined: 23 Jun 2004 Posts: 174

Kyra,

A vegan diet is the best diet for all [b]Homo sapeins.[/b]
There is a problem with meats from animals from organic husbandry. Consuming meats by humans results in an unbalanced Calcium /Phosphorous ratio. The abnormal Ca/P RATIO can result in a condition called Metabolic Bone Disease or Hyperparathyroidism. On a gross level, there can be weakening of the bones due to excessive removal of Ca from the bones. There can also be a change in shape of the eye balls requiring the waering of contacts or eye glasses.
Orions and garlic are OK. They have medicinal properties.
Ginger is a natural form of viagra for women. Smile

It always the quantity or dose consumed, of course.
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kyra · Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 66

yes, I could never go back to eating meat again, i think we can survive quite well without it as long as we have a balanced diet.

But it felt good to buy something previously I had been told will make my "stage" unstable - I dont have that experience of it.

I never really could see why BKs cannot eat garlic, onions or eggs.. noone could ever provide me with a logical explaination that wasn't pre-manufactured..

zhukov · Joined: 10 Apr 2004 Posts: 86

isabel · Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 39

Good for you! I know that when I tried to be strict about following BK diet guidelines I turned into a nutritional basket case. I couldn't believe the number of things that contained eggs or onions and garlic in minute amounts.

Like you I'm still a veg and will probably always be a veg. I eat onions and garlic when they are served to me, but I still feel a soft nudge of guilt when I do.

What I've really enjoyed lately is actually paying attention to and nurturing my body. As a BK, I pretty much ignored it and forced to survive on unbalanced meals and too little sleep. Things didn't improve much after I left the BKs because I worked very long hours, though I've always been a physically active person.

Recently I've been exploring Yoga, trying to eat healthy and I've been trying to learn to be respectful and caring towards my physical self. I feel like i have a lot of lost years to make up for and that I'm woefully unaware of what my body is trying to tell me. Have you, or has anyone else had a similar experience?

P.S. Sorry for the long absence everyone. I have to travel a great deal for work sometimes and it ends up being all I can do to simply keen my inbox under control

kyra · Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 66

Hi isabel, great to see you back. I found exactly the same thing. So many things contained these and I work full time as well as have many other projects to work on when I am not at work - so usually I ended up eating really bland easy meals to prepare because I just didn't have the time to cook things that were acceptable for the BK diet that were healthy and tasty. I suffered and ended up sick with really bad acne.

I've never tried yoga before, do you find it useful? I get a lot of body aches and pains, I wonder if that could be good for it, is it stretching?

Hope your well, kyra

isabel · Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 39

I'm actually really excited about having discovered Yoga. I always blew it off as a B.K. - these were foolish people who didn't understand 'true yoga' in my mind.

I tried it for the first time this summer because a Yoga studio was down the street from where I was living. I was amazed at how good it made me feel (great for my back that sits hunched over a desk all day) and the extent to which I felt I could grow spiritually through it. As a b.K. during my meditation I tied to work through areas of tensions and resistence in my mind by bringing Shiv Baba's light into them. I find that Yoga allows one to do that on a physical level - that spiritual obstacles manifest as physical tension in the body and releasing the tension on a physical level has noticable effects on one's spiritual being.

Though I'm happy about having found a way to move ahead spiritually, I'm a bit disturbed by the aura (for lack of a better word) of the typical yoga instructor. The truly aware B.K.s seem like such beautiful, peaceful beings that radiate an amazing energy, Yoga instructors seem peaceful but a bit zoned out and self-absorbed.

If you decide to try Yoga, Kyra, I'll be really interested in hearing what your experiences are like and how you're able to combine them with what you've learnt from the B.K.s. Any other XBKs tried yoga?

zhukov · Joined: 10 Apr 2004 Posts: 86

I have been wishing I could do physical yoga for years. I did used to do Yo Chi which combines yoga and tai chi and is an excellent way to do both types...gentler than regular tai chi. I really liked it very much when I could do it.

Unfortunately my back problems don't allow much of any type of excersise except walking nowdays Sad

hanuman · Joined: 23 Jun 2004 Posts: 174

Zuhov,

Have you ever tried acupuncture therapy for your back problems.
Depending on where you are located, if you find a good alternative health doctor who uses acupuncture and oriental medicine, you cn gain lots of help.
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Om Shanti,
To my brothers and sisters.

Love to you all,
Errol bhai

zhukov · Joined: 10 Apr 2004 Posts: 86

Been there and done that a couple of years ago I'm afraid, hanuman!

It would be easier to say what I haven't tried Rolling Eyes

The local hospital pain clinic has concluded it is implausible ie they don't know what the cause is....now I'm facing the challenge of acceptance Mr. Green

which most people in this position have to come to sooner or later.

Don't quite know how to go about that yet tho Laughing

gyaniwasi · Joined: 22 Feb 2004 Posts: 167

Never say never Zhukov. The miracles worked these days (whether through medical research or by the power of faith) are truly amazing. Did you see the recent Oprah Show that included the man who lost his penis and had it replaced by converting his middle finger - and is happy to say it works well!! Keep the faith buddy!

Gy.
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isabel · Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 39

I can't imagine what you're going through, Zhukov, - very tough circumstances to be confronted with. I can see how after a few years one would begin to feel that the best path to walk down would be acceptance rather than having one's hopes dashed yet again.

I'm with the others though in that I think there is still hope out there for you. I'll dredge up a personal anecdote in case it's helpful here. I was living abroad a couple of years ago when I hurt my arm and had to have pretty major surgery on it for the second time. After it healed for a couple of months I needed to find a physcial therapist. Almost completely unfamilar with how physcial therapy was done or how to pick up on hints about the techniques used by different practitioners I just walked into an office close to my work place. It turns out my physcial therapist was in fact a healer, something I figured out after I had handed in all my paperwork and it was too late to change. I figured 'oh well, I'll just do this until I get 'a real physcial therapist' who will put me on the correct weight lifting and stretching regimen.

The healer turned out to be amazing. I simply lay on a table while she waved her hands over my body working mostly on a psychic level. I could feel blockages being removed and blood rushing through areas that had previously been wound with tension in my body's attempt to cope with the trauma of the injury and the ensuing surgery. All the while she would tell me annoyingly accurate things about my personality that were the cause of my various and sundry physcial discomforts.

When I tried yoga this summer, I noticed my body responding to it in the same way that it had to the healer -rushing blood, gurgling stomach, renewed energy - and no commentary on my idiosyncracies!

My feeling, Zhukov, is that almost certainly somewhere out there is someone who could help you. I have no idea how to go about finding healers and nor how to distinguish their storefronts and ads from those of charlatans. But while accepting your present limitations keep your mind open in case you run accross one of these extraordinary people.

gyaniwasi · Joined: 22 Feb 2004 Posts: 167

Good advice Isabel! It's great to know that you're finding a new lease of life through another system of Yoga. Take care that you're not rushed too much through it though. I'm only saying this because in one of my present readings I'm seeing warnings about Western students being overwhelmed by the rate at which they are given lessons from Eastern schools of Yoga etc. The swift pace can cause physical damage, especially the breathing exercises. Of course taken at a rate suitable for your constitution the results can be as exhilirating as you describe and should be even more wonderful as you progress. God bless.

Gy.
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isabel · Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 39

Thanks for the caring advice, Gyaniwasi.
Yes, the more I talk to people, the more I realize I need to be careful. I'm no longer living near the wonderful studio where I first encountered Yoga this summer and am now searching to find an instructor I can trust with my physical and spiritual self. I have faith that God will provide though Very Happy

kyra · Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 66

I am very intrigued by this Yoga and will definetly be looking up my local Yoga class center when I move house soon. Very Happy