Om Radhe (Mama) and her writings

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Om Radhe's letters to Gandhi, Princess Elizabeth, Viceroy

Post23 Mar 2007

OK. Apologise for those on dial-up again ... here are "True Copies", from the Yagya's archive sent to others, of Om Radhe's letters to Gandhi, Princess Elizabeth, Viceroy of India and others on behalf of the Yagya from around 1939 to early 40s. Remember, Om Radhe is marketed as some kind of saintly Eve, Mother of Humanity, is not she? And we all have room to worship a saintly old lady, especially one that is dead and can be re-written.

What her writing exposes during this time ... and by every account it is a direct reflection of her caste and her mentor God Lekhraj Kirpalani's self-possessed, self-important state of mind ... is that they were horrendously arrogant, despising of others and right-wing to boot. More tyrant than angel. And from what I am reading elsewhere, they believe they were the cause of WWII ... well, who knows, but it would be a psychologist's wet dream to trawl through this lot and make an analysis of what was going on amongst this "world rejecting" cult.

You can say, "oh, it was just cultural" ... well, I am sorry but no, thanks. This is the Number One and Number Two soul in action and, frankly, these modes and attitudes still run through the veins of the Brahmakumaris today, underneath the facade. For example, their love of chasing the powerful and famous. But why Princess Elizabeth? She was just 11. Did they mean King George's wife aka 'The Queen's Mother'?

Clearly they thought WWII was Destruction. The BKs could get around it and say, "oh well, WWII was the start of Destruction and Baba just gave us more time" or something. They probably will. On the otherhand, Lekhraj Kirpalani or the unholy ghost might have just got it wrong again. The failure might have explained why in the later 40s Om Mandali kind of disappeared for a while only to re-invent itself later as the Brahma Kumaris with new prophesies. The public has a short memory.

It appears that for the famous 12 years of the Yagya, they were all thinking Brahma was God. Om Shanti does not figure at all. Peace of Mind was just their first first "Living Values" program. One other thing just to throw in this pot, after Lekhraj Kirpalani's death there was actually an increase in mediumship activity all around the centers until it settle down.

They speak of the Golden Age as the "Angelic Dynasty". As you can see, no mention of God Shiva, it is all Divine Father Prajapati Brahma.

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Post23 Mar 2007

Now I understand better the misunderstanding about destruction and what "intoxication" means.
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Post23 Mar 2007

Even from 1939, they were saying 'there's not much time left' ... cry wolf?
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Post24 Mar 2007

I was thankfully reminded that the Brahmakumaris always said that number two soul in the work; Mama or Om Radhe, was so special because she never made the same mistake twice.

Well, between 1939 and 1949 she thought Brahma was God ... may be that only counts as one mistake for 10 years? ( I may be able to prove this was form 1936 meaning 13 years and I still have not found the end point yet).

Here is another Radhe quote that I will pass on to others;
Om Radhe wrote:If only thse downtrodden, destitute, Self-unrealised Bharatvasis were to divert their attention just for a week's time from their unbecoming lust for the filthy coin, concentrate their entire intellect upon the practical happens of 5000 years or a Kalpa ago and compare the War of Mahabharat of those days with the present World War, and in addition, focus their entire brain power upon these Divine Decress in perfect solitude, there is certainly a chance that they might rise fromt heir deep slumber!

Will they rise at all?
Om Radhe wrote:Well, it can be said through Divine Insight that they certianly will, at last, but not till they breathe their last on their bed of Annihilation, as happened a Kalpa ago; but by then, it will be too late because Divine Father PRAJAPATI Brahma has Himself ordained, "One who maintains constant contact with ME, and who after due concentration of intellect upon SELF, (Man Mana Bhava, Madhyaji Bhava) address himself entirely to the task of rendering the highest Divine Services under MY guidance, will ultimately enjoy along with ME for numerous generations the Sovereignity of Vaikunth of BRAHM-PURI (Angelic World).

It is interesting, they thought the Golden Age was Angelic Age and Brahm-Puri, so that is another change they made ... or may be there is something deeper in this and these people were just very deeply confused.
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Post24 Mar 2007

ex-l wrote:I was thankfully reminded that the Brahmakumaris always said that number two soul in the work; Mama or Om Radhe, was so special because she never made the same mistake twice.

Also in Murli it is says (if I recall properly) she is able to churn and understand knowledge better than BrahmaBaba.
It is interesting, they thought the Golden Age was Angelic Age and Brahm-Puri, so that is another change they made ... or may be there is something deeper in this and these people were just very deeply confused.

I do think that is correct and they were confused, but the other important thing is
    How did they get this information?
Going on from thinking the Gyan evolved over time, I think it was only revealed as per the churnings of the BKs at the time. It could be that they were given pieces of the puzzle at a time and the churning part was to put it together.

Maybe a lot of knowledge came from them interpreting divine visions and from that they tried to decipher the whole picture. The most comprehensive churnings were then put forward as the correct understanding of Gyan. Maybe also what PBKs say, holds true, that The Knowledge at that time was from another Chariot Piu and from that Piu Vani came about.

Whatever, it seems Shiva was being very incognito and the BK org appears want to keep this all under wraps.
    But what is the reasoning behind them wanting to do that?

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Post24 Mar 2007

These letters are historically interesting. Wonder how many received replies.

BKs are told to "check the pulse" and feel the vibrations-vibes when contacting souls but how this can be achieved through letters is a puzzle.

I don't want to play down the action made. It was courageous and the BKs must have believed it to be accurate to do so at that time, as it happened during some turbulent period, not just in India but across the world. However, it cannot be as turbulent as things will and should be getting according to Gyan and The Cycle.

So does that mean we will see more new letters to dignitaries coming soon, or were these Om Radhe letters an act of desperacy?
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ex-l wrote:I was thankfully reminded that the Brahmakumaris always said that number two soul in the work; Mama or Om Radhe, was so special because she never made the same mistake twice. Well, between 1939 and 1949 she thought Brahma was God ... may be that only counts as one mistake for 10 years? ( I may be able to prove this was form 1936 meaning 13 years and I still have not found the end point yet).

As per the advanced knowledge being given by ShivBaba (through Baba Virendra Dev Dixit), it has been said that although Mama (Om Radhe) was good at churning and narrating knowledge, she still belongs to the Moon Dynasty (Chandravansh) because she followed the Moon of knowledge (i.e. Gyaan Chandrama) Brahma (Dada Lekhraj) to be the God of Gita.

And the above historical proofs prove this statement.

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Post24 Mar 2007

arjun wrote:As per the advanced knowledge being given by ShivBaba (through Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit), it has been said that although Mama (Om Radhe) was good at churning and narrating knowledge, she still belongs to the Moon Dynasty (Chandravansh) because she followed the Moon of knowledge (i.e. Gyaan Chandrama) Brahma (Dada Lekhraj) to be the God of Gita. And the above historical proofs prove this statement.

This appears to be absolutely true.

She was in love, and entirely faithful, to her spiritual husband Prajapati Kirpalani and through her he seem to work.


Without any doubt she thought Lekhraj Kirpalani was God and the "Inventor of the Gita". In their artwork and philosophy of that time, there is no question of it. Actually, they also seem utterly possessed with themselves as being the chosen "Divine Ones". Something we see in younger BKs today. She and he being the Divine Mother and Father. So now what becomes interesting, is to search out evidence from;
    • the period between 1950 and 1965 to see if, how and when Om Radhe ever changed her mind.

    • And then 1965 to 1969 to see if or when Lekhraj Kirpalani changes his mind.
Can anyone help me there? Shivasena? 1977 is the earliest record that I have for so called "Shiva Baba's" emergence. I want to see it on paper. Preferably something with a date on it.

I am sure the concept was brought out before this but unless I see it with my own eyes or hear the testimony of some reliable eye witness - which excludes the leadership of the BKWSU - I wont believe it.

This is getting a lot closer to living memory and my guess older PBKs. Sadly, I will not be able trust the witness of any older but not senior BKs living under auspices of the BKWSU because they will probably be too afraid to tell the truth ... on the fear of being ex-communicated.
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Post25 Mar 2007

Now, every time a SS, Didi or Dadi relates their experience with Brahma Baba between 1937 to 1950, you can ask them directly how they see him as purely the form of Brahma or they see Shiva through Brahma's body. If they say they recognized Shiva or have knowledge of Shiva narrating the Gita during 1936 to 1950, THEN YOU KNOW THAT YOU SHOULD START WAKING UP FROM THEIR BEAUTIFUL STORIES.

Now I realize that everytime this topic was brought up by a SS in her class, something was not right from what the SS is relating. It is because they know what was the actual thing that happen and they cannot say it.
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Post25 Mar 2007

tinydot wrote:Now, every time a SS, Didi or Dadi relates their experience with Brahma Baba between 1937 to 1950, you can ask them directly how they see him as purely the form of Brahma or they see Shiva through Brahma's body. If they say they recognized Shiva or have knowledge of Shiva narrating the Gita during 1936 to 1950, THEN YOU KNOW THAT YOU SHOULD START WAKING UP FROM THEIR BEAUTIFUL STORIES.

Yes, ask them about the beautiful handpainted posters of The Tree with a border of flowers that have no mention of Shiva 'when, why and how' the philosophy was changed, or why Shiva was not mentioned up until at least 1950. At some point they must of sat down and decided on a "party line"

But, you know tinydot, what I am waiting for is to Dadi Janki to just dismiss this all with one wave of her hand, "be stable in Drama ... Baba is just testing you" and Jayanti to prepare some quiet spoken, intellectual defence about how "spirituality is always evolving", and the BKs ust continue to sit there and it go right over their heads.

Om Radhe was Mrs Lekhraj's cousins's daughter.
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Mama's biography

Post25 Mar 2007

By the way, some of you may be aware that the feminine version of ADI DEV , that is Mama's life story, is available. I heard it's a nice book to read, I will also get it one day. Must be interesting.
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Re: Mama's biography

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alladin wrote:By the way, some of you may be aware that the feminine version of ADI DEV , that is Mama's life story, is available. I heard it's a nice book to read, I will also get it one day. Must be interesting.

Is it fictational or a biography? What is the title? It would be very interesting to cross reference it.
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