idontcare634 wrote:But, I am still baffled as to who is Shiv Baba?
Welcome to the forum, thank you for your question, and well done for moving on.
I think if we are honest with ourselves, it is blazzingly and inarguably obvious that "The Knowledge" is not "truth" ...
if only because it is being constantly re-written and modified ... and, hence, who or what ever it is that is pushing it not a "god", never mind "the God" of all. Have you ever had any experience with any other charismatic gurus to compare?
I think my answer would be that the "bafflement" ... the unknowable nature ... is part of the 'hook' that keeps people in. Individuals stay in w-a-y beyond the point where their logical mind or even intuitions tell them what is happening in dishonest or insane. They stay despite not knowing and pretend to know on a "just in case" basis or like monkeys caught by their hand gripping sweets in a bottle and refusing to let go. You know the old "monkey trap" trick.
All we can say we "know" is that who or whatever "BapDada" is ...
even if there is nothing and it is just a performance by some aspect of Gulzar, as mr green suggests ... it allows the Brahma Kumaris to carry out endless frauds, break up families, take property and wealthy off people under false pretences, makes false predictions of the world, knows little about politics and religion, world population demographics, is bigoted and elitist. The descriptive list could go on and on.
Perhaps the question we should encourage others to ask is not "who Shiv Baba is?" But why does he/they/it do so? What is the purpose of the charm offensive and why have they chosen aping "religion" as their device to socially climb? What is he/they/its End Game? ... Well, we know that. Nuclear War and the death of humanity.
Charm is not worth much in life. Conmen, thieves and politicians are often very charming. It gets them what they want and protects them.
Do you consider, within your current understand of reality, that spirits, angels, devils and gods exist?