Extracts of ShivBaba's Murli (via Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit) - as narrated to the PBKs
VCD* No.393, Audio Cassette No.879, dated 15.02.06, at Yatragachi (Calcutta)
Clarification of Murli dated 03.02.67
Part-III-Eng.
... Whatever wicked acts one performs, all those will come in front of them in the end. Then one will have to suffer the punishments of Dharmaraj. One goes on having visions of everything. It does not take time to cause visions of those sinful actions. The Father keeps explaining all the matters. The Father comes only to cause benefit. One should cause benefit to oneself as well as others. The Father has also been called to - come and show the way to us sinful ones to become pure. So, the Father gives Shrimat. You consider yourself to be a soul and leave the body consciousness and remember me. Look, what a simple medicine He gives. Tell (them), we believe in only one God. He says - You call me saying - come to purify sinful ones , so I have to come.
You do not get anything from Brahma. Even Brahma's soul obtains from us. Who said this? Even Brahma's soul obtains from us - who said this? (Someone said - ShivBaba said) Did ShivBaba say? (Someone said - By emerging the combined form, BapDada) Yes, you do not get anything from Brahma. It means that nobody is going to attain anything from the role of Brahma howevermuch [To whatever extent] one may worship Brahma, to whatever extent one may worship Christ, they are not going to attain anything. The attainments will be obtained from us. Who is telling this? Even Brahma's soul obtains from us. Is 'from us' (hamsey) plural or singular? Even Brahma's soul obtains from me – This was not said and what was said? Even Brahma's soul obtains from us. So, who all are included in 'us'? (Someone said - BapDada) BapDada? Arey, Dada is Brahma's soul himself. Is he the one who studies knowledge or is he the one who teaches?...(Someone said - ' obtains from us' means ShivBaba and the soul of Ram - two) Yes. 'From us' means there are two souls - One is the unlimited Father Supreme Soul Shiv and one is the Father of the human creation, the Father of human beings - Ram.
Everyone obtains attainment from those two souls. Even Brahma obtains attainment just from them. You do not obtain anything from Brahma. Even Brahma's soul obtains from us. Tell them, Brahma is not our guru, etc. Brahma is not our guru, etc. Arey, who is the main guru among the gurus in this world? Alright, name the main gurus. There is a world of variety human beings. Buddhists, Christians, Islamic people, Buddhists; they exist, don't they? They certainly have gurus. Abraham, Buddha, Christ - these are gurus. They are religious gurus, religious fathers. Among them who is the biggest guru? (Someone said - the biggest guru is Prajapita. ShivBaba through Prajapita) No, no. Among the human gurus. (The Brother said - Brahma) Guru Brahma. It is a matter of the gurus of this world. So, Brahma is close to the corporeal world. For him it has been said - the biggest guru among all gurus is Brahma, because, even when God comes to this world, everyone is sustained under his guidance . Souls of all religions receive sustenance except those belonging to the Sun Dynasty.
Suryavanshis exit from the Yagya in the beginning itself. They do not receive the sustenance. When do they come and receive the sustenance? When Brahma leaves his body, they receive the sustenance, but from whom do they receive the sustenance? Do they receive the sustenance from the corporeal or do they receive the sustenance by emerging? (Someone said - from the corporeal) No. Brahma left his body in 1969. From whom did the children, who came after that, receive the sustenance? ( they received the sustenance in two ways). Some considered the versions emerging from the mouth of Brahma as their guru. The versions are of ShivBaba. The versions are not of Brahma - they understood this; and some considered the Didi, Dadi, Dadas to be gurus and even among the Didi, Dadi, Dadas, some considered Brahma to be guru and the intellect of some thought that - ShivBaba alone is our guru through Brahma.
So, it was said - Tell (them) that Brahma is not our guru, etc. Just as there are many kinds of creations in the human world, so they believe that - Christ is our guru, Buddha is our guru. In that way Brahma is not our guru. He is in fact Dada. What? What does Dada mean? He is an elder Brother. A Brother doesn’t get inheritance from another Brother. He is not even Baba. Who? Brahma is not even Baba. Then why do they call him Baba? If Brahma is not Baba, then why is he called Baba? (Someone said - he is elderly) Yes, he is elderly, that is why he is called Baba. But, it is not true that we will get inheritance from him. One gets inheritance from Baba. One does not get inheritance from Brahma. And who is called Baba? The corporeal one as well as the incorporeal one should be present.
So this is a fact, isn’t it? Brahma left his body. Nobody got the inheritance of mukti-jeevanmukti (liberation and liberation in life). So, it means that - Brahma Baba is not even Baba. Who should be called Baba? - The one, who is a combination of the corporeal and the incorporeal. So, that is a matter of revelation. When that Father, the Supreme Soul gets revealed through that corporeal body, through the appointed Chariot, then he will be called ShivBaba. So, one does not get inheritance from Brahma, that is why we do not even keep the picture of Brahma. What? All those so-called Brahmins keep the picture of Brahma and we do not even keep the picture of Brahma.
The incorporeal Father adopts [us] through them; through whom? He teaches us souls. The incorporeal Father adopts us souls through them (in dwara) and teaches us. Through whom? (Someone said - through Father Ram) Is 'in' (them) singular or does it denote two persons? (Someone said - plural) It is plural. (Someone said- through Ram and Krishna) Yes, He teaches through them. But one does not get attainment through them. He adopts and teaches us souls. He teaches them as well. 'Them' (inko) refers to whom? (Someone said, Ram and Krishna) He teaches them as well. One would not get anything from Brahma. Even among them, one would not get anything from the form of Brahma. The inheritance is received only from the Father . One receives (the inheritance) through them. One certainly gets inheritance from the Father, Supreme Soul Shiv, but through whom does one get? Through them ...(to be continued)
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. The words in brackets are words added by the translator for better understanding of the translation in English.
VCD* No.393, Audio Cassette No.879, dated 15.02.06, at Yatragachi (Calcutta)
Clarification of Murli dated 03.02.67
Part-III-Eng.
... Whatever wicked acts one performs, all those will come in front of them in the end. Then one will have to suffer the punishments of Dharmaraj. One goes on having visions of everything. It does not take time to cause visions of those sinful actions. The Father keeps explaining all the matters. The Father comes only to cause benefit. One should cause benefit to oneself as well as others. The Father has also been called to - come and show the way to us sinful ones to become pure. So, the Father gives Shrimat. You consider yourself to be a soul and leave the body consciousness and remember me. Look, what a simple medicine He gives. Tell (them), we believe in only one God. He says - You call me saying - come to purify sinful ones , so I have to come.
You do not get anything from Brahma. Even Brahma's soul obtains from us. Who said this? Even Brahma's soul obtains from us - who said this? (Someone said - ShivBaba said) Did ShivBaba say? (Someone said - By emerging the combined form, BapDada) Yes, you do not get anything from Brahma. It means that nobody is going to attain anything from the role of Brahma howevermuch [To whatever extent] one may worship Brahma, to whatever extent one may worship Christ, they are not going to attain anything. The attainments will be obtained from us. Who is telling this? Even Brahma's soul obtains from us. Is 'from us' (hamsey) plural or singular? Even Brahma's soul obtains from me – This was not said and what was said? Even Brahma's soul obtains from us. So, who all are included in 'us'? (Someone said - BapDada) BapDada? Arey, Dada is Brahma's soul himself. Is he the one who studies knowledge or is he the one who teaches?...(Someone said - ' obtains from us' means ShivBaba and the soul of Ram - two) Yes. 'From us' means there are two souls - One is the unlimited Father Supreme Soul Shiv and one is the Father of the human creation, the Father of human beings - Ram.
Everyone obtains attainment from those two souls. Even Brahma obtains attainment just from them. You do not obtain anything from Brahma. Even Brahma's soul obtains from us. Tell them, Brahma is not our guru, etc. Brahma is not our guru, etc. Arey, who is the main guru among the gurus in this world? Alright, name the main gurus. There is a world of variety human beings. Buddhists, Christians, Islamic people, Buddhists; they exist, don't they? They certainly have gurus. Abraham, Buddha, Christ - these are gurus. They are religious gurus, religious fathers. Among them who is the biggest guru? (Someone said - the biggest guru is Prajapita. ShivBaba through Prajapita) No, no. Among the human gurus. (The Brother said - Brahma) Guru Brahma. It is a matter of the gurus of this world. So, Brahma is close to the corporeal world. For him it has been said - the biggest guru among all gurus is Brahma, because, even when God comes to this world, everyone is sustained under his guidance . Souls of all religions receive sustenance except those belonging to the Sun Dynasty.
Suryavanshis exit from the Yagya in the beginning itself. They do not receive the sustenance. When do they come and receive the sustenance? When Brahma leaves his body, they receive the sustenance, but from whom do they receive the sustenance? Do they receive the sustenance from the corporeal or do they receive the sustenance by emerging? (Someone said - from the corporeal) No. Brahma left his body in 1969. From whom did the children, who came after that, receive the sustenance? ( they received the sustenance in two ways). Some considered the versions emerging from the mouth of Brahma as their guru. The versions are of ShivBaba. The versions are not of Brahma - they understood this; and some considered the Didi, Dadi, Dadas to be gurus and even among the Didi, Dadi, Dadas, some considered Brahma to be guru and the intellect of some thought that - ShivBaba alone is our guru through Brahma.
So, it was said - Tell (them) that Brahma is not our guru, etc. Just as there are many kinds of creations in the human world, so they believe that - Christ is our guru, Buddha is our guru. In that way Brahma is not our guru. He is in fact Dada. What? What does Dada mean? He is an elder Brother. A Brother doesn’t get inheritance from another Brother. He is not even Baba. Who? Brahma is not even Baba. Then why do they call him Baba? If Brahma is not Baba, then why is he called Baba? (Someone said - he is elderly) Yes, he is elderly, that is why he is called Baba. But, it is not true that we will get inheritance from him. One gets inheritance from Baba. One does not get inheritance from Brahma. And who is called Baba? The corporeal one as well as the incorporeal one should be present.
So this is a fact, isn’t it? Brahma left his body. Nobody got the inheritance of mukti-jeevanmukti (liberation and liberation in life). So, it means that - Brahma Baba is not even Baba. Who should be called Baba? - The one, who is a combination of the corporeal and the incorporeal. So, that is a matter of revelation. When that Father, the Supreme Soul gets revealed through that corporeal body, through the appointed Chariot, then he will be called ShivBaba. So, one does not get inheritance from Brahma, that is why we do not even keep the picture of Brahma. What? All those so-called Brahmins keep the picture of Brahma and we do not even keep the picture of Brahma.
The incorporeal Father adopts [us] through them; through whom? He teaches us souls. The incorporeal Father adopts us souls through them (in dwara) and teaches us. Through whom? (Someone said - through Father Ram) Is 'in' (them) singular or does it denote two persons? (Someone said - plural) It is plural. (Someone said- through Ram and Krishna) Yes, He teaches through them. But one does not get attainment through them. He adopts and teaches us souls. He teaches them as well. 'Them' (inko) refers to whom? (Someone said, Ram and Krishna) He teaches them as well. One would not get anything from Brahma. Even among them, one would not get anything from the form of Brahma. The inheritance is received only from the Father . One receives (the inheritance) through them. One certainly gets inheritance from the Father, Supreme Soul Shiv, but through whom does one get? Through them ...(to be continued)
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. The words in brackets are words added by the translator for better understanding of the translation in English.