Arjun wrote:So I have seen many cases of ex-PBKs (i.e. members of the off shoots) who visit the BKs as well as their new guru (or Baba).
John wrote:Do you know of any that would be willing to join this forum to share their experiences and voice their reasons/opinions.
Whatever they are, they are (or were) still part of the Brahmin family Yagya are they not?
This is really a question for the PBK forum but what would interest me to ask is does ShivBaba [Shiva through Virendra Dev Dixit] still make such a clear distinction between the BKs/PBKs and the rest of the world/Shudras. The old Sakar Murlis were full of it. "You are pure, they are impure ... You are Godly Family, they are Shudras, " etc. Does 'ShivBaba' still go in this divisive manner, e.g. " You are PBKs, they are BKs, ex-PBKs are lower than the lowest of the low ... " etc.? Or is he/they over that? What is suggested by many's experience is that just because someone dons a white sari, it does not make them divine. Perhaps quite the opposite.
It would impress me so much more if these souls just turned around and said, " look, I don't know who I am, names are not important, but being without a body I can see a little bit ahead of you. I am here to try and help anyone. Try this and see if it works ... ". Instead of making it into an exclusive club and clan warfare. I appreciate that He/They have come to primarily sort India out and India both needs it most and is most ripe for such guidance. Given that, He/They are stuck with having to use and work with the tools, structures and symbols within the India society and psyche to speak to human beings. In truth, by comparison to the rest of Indian values and faiths [ e.g. caste system, abuse of women, crazy religions, pandemic corruption and inequality ], I think that what they are offering is worth the sacrifices and has the potent to be a better alternative.
Naturally, the human interpreters that have to take some blame for the manner in which they implement what they have been told. It would be worth putting aside all the factionalism, as Bansy writes [ BK versus PBK versus ex-BK ], and just to get on with rolling out the alternative lifestyle/s. We are all closer together than we are apart.
Its funny that the BKWSU can advertise its greatness by bringing together divergent saddhus, sanyasis and other religions but it reacts neurotically and goes into denial when faced with its / 'Shiva's' own divergent religions.
• Perhaps we should organise a conference and invite them both / us all to meet. See if the BKs would share their Guddi with us?
• What are the chances of getting ShivBaba [Shiva through Virendra Dev Dixit] to meet with BapDada [Shiva and Brahma through Dadi Gulzar] in order to sort their difference out and demostrate who is who?
• Has BapDada ever been asked outright what He/They think of ShivBaba?