mbbhat wrote:There is DILUTION in the beginning itself ... God HIMSELF or drama permitted the dilution, who are we (at least I) to question it?
Not true at all. Its not dilution, it is the gradual education of the terminology and metaphors that permits individuals to understand the symbolism of the Murli. Its a building up not a watering down.
No BK forces a newcomer by temptation or illegal means.
Fraud is illegal. There is willful misrepresentation in order to gain money, goods and services going on within the Yugya. Undue influence is also unlawful. The cover up of the historical revision and failed predictions of Destruction are examples of this.
Faith in God (Gyan) is developed in any newcomer by listening to a BK! ... So who is cause for the development of faith in newcomer? It is the newcomer himself.
Firstly, one cannot really say "faith in God". One could say, "faith in BapDada as being God" or even "faith in BapDada as being Godly". Until we know more about the conversion of BK faith to Shiva in the 1950s, the only surety we have is what we see with our eyes, e.g. BapDada and Gulzar (or Virendra Dev Dixit).
Secondly, you exclude the gradual but persistent mental and social conditioning BK adherents are put through punishment and reward. They are taught an approved language of expression and their minds are made up for them. Who know what BKs really have faith in ... but it surely is not all the same thing.
The biggest problem is looking into this would be finding BKs that were capable any more of being honest. They are all so conditioned to giving "the right response". How many Western BKs
REALLY believe in the 5,000 Cycle, for example?
So I still find no fault in editing Murlis if it suits or helps today’s intellectual people.
Its not done to "suits or help today’s intellectual people". It was done to stop the embarrassment of teachers reading out failed predictions of destruction and wrong populations of the world. it was done to stop BKs knowing their "god's" faults, so they would not question either their god or the leadership's faith in such a faulted god.
As one of "today's intellectual people", no one ever asked me if I wanted the Murlis edited. No one even told me it was going on or offered me the option. It was never discussed.
Again your equations is based on a fallacy that you have entered in early on. In fact, not so long ago I spoken to one of the very first and very famous Western Intellectual BKs and he told me that the reason he and they of that time learnt Hindi was out of frustration for the crappy editing of the Senior Sister who would sit and read the Murli and then "edit" out. In the old days, the Murlis were sent in Hindi and then edited live.
The Western Intellectual BKs did not want to know what she thought Baba was saying ... they want to know what Baba
was saying.
I would argue that the editing and secrecy around the Murlis was based on protecting the interests of senior Sisters' self-image when they go out to do service in Interfaith and political meetings ... and to cover up for all the apparent racist and un-politically correct things BapDada or Lekhraj Kirpalani says by today's standards, e.g. things about dark skinned or crippled people etc.
he is not eligible to listen Murli.
All or almost all of the individuals requesting unedited Murlis are BKs. I have never heard of the issue of "eligibility" before. I also find this incredible insulting to, and presumptive against, academics and intellectuals.
[quote]Instead of accusing BKs for burying Murlis, I would salute them that because of them I have got at least those few Murlis. [quote]
And how far does this "positive thinking" go?
Would you salute them for falsifying the history so that new BK would not be confused by the evolution of concepts?
Would you salute them for falsifying the history so that new BKs would not realise how dumb they must have been to have though Lekhraj Kirpalani was God for 20 years as their numbers dwindled to just 60?
Would you salute them for covering up that they had falsified the history so that new BKs would not loose faith in them as their god had obviously chosen them and he says he is always right (even when he is testing our faith by being wrong ... ?