ex-l' and John,
If you study the posts of Shivsena and New World, it is obvious that they speak against the Advanced Knowledge. They won't say it openly, but it is clear for someone who knows the Advanced Knowledge.
If you see the extract I have shamelessly taken from different places, with the linguistic signs showing that they are not PBK and against PBK. I know I am not really diplomatic, and I have no ill feeling against them. Just the genuine wish to see the PBK section as a peaceful place of exchange and respect, which it is not at the moment.
Is it possible to move the topics that are going against the PBK into the new section? This question is addressed to everyone.
Of course, this means the responsibility to take the decision to do so. But if the criteria is very specific, as the PBK directed as "they", and if the foundation of the PBK knowledge is put in doubt, then I think it is fair to do so. I probably would like to be ruthless is this task, and I don't mind being told off, but I think it is worthwhile having an overview of the PBK posts as a whole, with this focus in mind, as an observer.
Extracts:
Advanced Knowledge teaching of Krishna can change in the end but Shivbap's words in Murlis will be considered as final truth.
Advanced Knowledge is of ShivBaba, not Krishna, the term of Shivbap as someone speaking has never been mentioned as far as I know.
one cannot seperate Shiv and Ram from each other; but most PBKs are still insisting on seeing bindi Shivbap in Ram's forehead and completely forgetting the niraakari stage of Ram's soul.
Advanced Knowledge clearly says that it is Shiv, God teaching in the Chariot.
Also I do not believe that there is anything like Paramdham (golden red world) in outer space where Shivbap goes and rests for the next 5000 years; Shivbap again just becomes an observer in Ram's body for 5000 years
This has clearly been explained that Shiv does his job and go and rest in Paramdham, many times.
If it is for the benefit of human race then all the more reason that it is Rambap who should be revealed and glorified(because he has taken 84 births and achieved the 100% incorporeal stage) and not bindi Shiva, whom the human race (6-7 billion souls) cannot identify with.
Again the role of Shiv is denied.
Can any PBK throw some light on the above discrepancy between the Murli point and the teachings of Advanced Knowledge? PBKs feel that Bharat is Ram's soul. But Shivbap says in Murlis that, ''Ram is Parampita Paramatma''. So whom do we believe??? PBK's view or Shivbap's words!!!
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PBKs also believe that 1st couple of (Golden Aged) Lakshmi and Narayan is 16 celestial degree complete. But they don't say anything about celestial degrees of confluence aged Lakshmi and Narayan. Its a simple logic that two souls cannot have the same amount of celestial degrees. There must be some difference. So nobody can say that both confluence aged & Golden Aged Lakshmi and Narayan have the same amount of celestial degrees. But PBKs will not accept that celestial degrees of confluence aged Lakshmi and Narayan are less than that of Golden Aged Lakshmi and Narayan.
Many time times it has been said that the CA Lakshmi and Narayan were kalateet, meaning beyond degrees, and all the souls of their generation.
Here I wish to discuss with you about the prejudiced PBK perspective about The Ladder picture.
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We can trace very ... very few statements about downfall of PBKs in the literature of Advance Party. But their views about Ladder is to criticise BKs.
This is totally false
In Advance Literature, the meaning of 'swarg ke rachieta' (in the picture of Lakshmi-Narayan) has been wrongly interpreted. PBKs clain that Lakshmi & Narayan both are creators (rachieta) of heaven (swarg) & 'to' indicate that there are two creators of heaven, the term 'swarg ke rachieta' is used. Here 'ke' indicates that there are more than one creators. If there is only one creator (ShivBaba), the word 'ka' may be used. So the word 'ke' indicates that Lakshmi-Narayan (who are two in number) are creators of heaven & not ShivBaba (who is one oh number). This is PBK thinking.
Those are a few of so many examples of direct opposition to what I consider as Godly knowledge. Please open your eyes and see if it possible to make the PBK section a ... PBK section, and not an anti-PBK section. Arjunbhai and Andreybhai are constantly trying to justify the Advanced Knowledge, and to rectify the doubts. Many of us have done so.
If someone is against the clarification, they are against Baba. Should those post stay in the PBK section or be moved?