Q&A: PBK Murli discussions

Disc.CD No.257, dated 12.02.07 at Chaudmaan, Orissa

(Kisi nay kaagaz par koi prashna likhkar diya Baba ko)
Baba nay kaha: swapna aur; swapna, saakshaatkaar aur sankalp ye poorva janma say noondhey huay hain. Poorva janmon kay karmon kay aadhaar par sankalp aatey rahtey hain. Swapna bhi aatey rahtey hain aur saakshaatkaar bhi hotey rahtey hain. Jinhonay naudha Bhakti kee hai, unhonay saakshaatkaar bhi kiye thay. Toh yahaan bhi voh reel ghoom saktee hai. Dusht sankalp aatey hain, poorva janmon may dusht karma kiye hain, toh us aadhaar par dusht sankalp bhi aatey hain. Fir swapna bhi aatey hain. Ye koi badee baat nahee hai. Swapna may jo ksheenataa aati hai, shaktipaat hota hai, kahengey ki sampannataa nahee aai hai. Lekin koi paap nahee bantaa hai karmendriyon say. Itne nishaani mil rahee hai ki hamaarey sankalp abhi shuddh nahee huay hain. Sankalpon may shuddhi aa jaavegi toh swapna bhi ashuddh nahee aavengey. Shaktiheenataa nahee feel hogi.

(Someone wrote a question on a paper and gave it to Baba)
Baba said: Dreams and; dreams, divine visions and thoughts – these have been fixed in the past births. On the basis of the actions of the past births, thoughts keep emerging. Dreams also keep coming. And divine visions also keep occurring. Those who have performed naudha Bhakti (toughest form of devotion) have had divine visions also. So, even here that reel can rotate. Wicked thoughts emerge; if we have performed wicked actions in the past births, then wicked thoughts also emerge on the basis of that. Then dreams also come. This is not a big issue. Whatever weakness emerges during the dreams, whatever loss of energy/vigour takes place, it would be said that perfection has not been achieved. But sins are not accrued through the bodily organs. We are getting indications that our thoughts have not yet become pure. When the thoughts become pure, then one would not even get impure dreams. One would not feel loss of energy.
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Kisi Bhai nay ek mataji ka prashna anuwad karke poocha: Chota bachha jo hota hai voh soney ke time pay hanstaa kyon hai aur rota kyon hai?
Baba nay jawaab diya: Haan, voh apney poorva janma kee smriti may rahtaa hai. Sookshma sharir say duniya may vicharan kartaa hai. Isliye voh kabhi hanstaa hai aur kabhi rota hai. Baahar kay vaataavaran – jo aankhon say dekhtaa hai us say hansnaa rona nahee hota. Uskee apnee andar kee duniya hai voh sookshma sharir kay aadhaar par hansnaa aur ronaa kartaa hai.

A Brother translated a question asked by a mother: Why does a small child laugh or cry while being asleep?
Baba replied: Yes, he remembers the past life. He travels around the world in his subtle body. That is why sometimes he laughs and sometimes he cries. Laughs or cries do not occur due to the outer atmosphere, which he sees through the eyes. He has an inner world of his own; he laughs and cries on the basis of that subtle body.

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Note:- The Hindi and English versions of the extracts of above mentioned Discussion CD are just draft versions. The words added within brackets in the English version have been added by the Translator to make the meaning more clear.

Disc.CD No.267, dated 7.4.07 at Maheshpur

Someone asked – Baba, it is said in the Murli that – the egotistic people do not get the inheritance. They are not pardoned. So, do they not get the inheritance in the Golden Age or do they not get inheritance in the Confluence Age?

Baba replied: As regards the Confluence Age, there are Brahmins in it. Is the job of Brahmins to serve or to rule? Their job is to serve. Secondly, the atheists are egotistic, so, they succumb to ego and start controlling others here itself. Baba says – the one who enjoys kingship here, those who control others here, will lose the controlling power there.

Someone asked: Will they not go to the Golden Age?

Baba replied: They would go to the Golden Age (but) they would come in the category of subjects (praja). They would not become king. Has the Father come to make us kings or to make us subjects? He has come to make us kings. If one does not become king then one automatically becomes a subject ; and also in the Copper Age and Iron Age, only those souls would get kingship who become egoless children here. If one remains body conscious here, then one loses the kingship of 21 births there also. And on the basis of 21 births, one loses the kingship of 63 births as well. That is why the Father says – I talk to you souls. The spiritual Father speaks to the spiritual children. It means that He does not speak to the body conscious ones, egotistic ones, and those with the bodily ego. Why?

Someone said: It is because the spiritual Father has come to teach the spiritual children.

Baba said: He has come to teach. What has He come to teach? Those people teach The Knowledge of doctors (i.e. medicine); they teach The Knowledge/studies of engineering; they teach The Knowledge/studies of law. They teach for one birth and the Father teaches The Knowledge of kingship for 21 births. Nobody except the Father has ever taught this knowledge to make kings. Such great kings have existed within the country and abroad there would have been kings in thousands, but who taught them kingship/to rule? When was it taught? They must have been taught at some point of time or the other. Someone or the other must have taught them. The Father comes and teaches this knowledge of kingship. King does not remain subordinate to anyone. All others who study; when they study and take up a job, will they be subordinates (aadheen) or not? Human gurus teach those studies. Those studies make one subordinate and The Knowledge that the Father teaches makes one free (swaadheen). Free in what way? Here even in the Confluence Age one becomes a king who rules upon his bodily organs. They become the rulers of their bodily organs and there also they would become kings.

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Note:- The Hindi and English versions of the extracts of above mentioned Discussion CD are just draft versions. Only when the translation of the entire Murli contained in this VCD* is released, that may be considered as the final version. The words added within brackets in the English version have been added by the Translator to make the meaning more clear. The words in italics are Hindi words.

Disc.CD No.300, dated 22.4.07 at Mumbai

Jigyasu: Baba, sixth sense ka Rajyog say koi sambandh hai kya?

Baba: Bilkul hai sambandh. Jab sampann stage may Rajyog kee apnee oonchi stage pakdengey. Toh pehley say bahot see baaton ka pataa chaltaa jaavega aur shelter ley lengey, vighna say bach jaavengey.

Someone asked: Baba! Is there any connection between the sixth sense and Rajyog?

Baba replied: There is definitely a connection (between them). When one achieves one’s high stage of Rajyog in a stage of perfection/completeness, then, one would know many things beforehand and take shelter and would become free from obstacles.

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Jigyasu: Baba, kisi kay seva leney ke sanskar pakkey hain, voh kya banega?

Baba: Voh daas-daasi banega. Jo yahaan seva lega usko vahaan seva deni padegi. Jo yahaa Ishwariya seva karega niswaarth, apney rath ke liye nahee, parmaarth kay liye. Vo vahaan Raja banega. Swaarthyukta seva ka koi fal nahee hota, koi result nahee nikal saktaa.

Someone asked: Baba, if someone’s sanskars of obtaining/receiving service (from others) is firm, then what will he become?

Baba replied: He would become Daas-Daasi (servant/maid-servant). The one, who obtains/receives service here, will have to serve there. The one who does Godly service here, selflessly (niswaarth), not for the benefit of own Chariot (rath), but for the highest good (parmaarth, i.e. for the benefit of all) will become a king there. Selfish service does not result in any fruit; it cannot produce any result.

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Note:- The Hindi and English versions of the extracts of above mentioned Discussion CD are just draft versions. The words added within brackets in the English version have been added by the Translator to make the meaning more clear.

Discussion CD No.301 dated 22.04.07 at Mumbai

Jigyasu – Baba, Amritveley ko Brahm Muhoorth bhi kaha gaya hai, toh uska matlab kya hai?
Baba – Brahma ka uday jo hota hai, voh Amrit Vela hee hota hai. Isliye Brahma kee raat aur Brahma ka din bhi gaya hua hai. Devataaon ka din aur devataaon kee raat nahee gaayee hui hai. Brahma muhoorth so Brahmanon ka muhoort. Amrit barastaa hai. Voh gyaanamrit hai. Amritveley hee Shiv aata hai. 12 bajey say pehley nahee aata hai. 12 bajey kay baad hee Amrit Vela hota hai. Isliye amritmuhoort hai. Amrit Vela.

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Jigyaasu – Baba 2 say 5 bajey tak ka Amrit Vela chaahtey huay bhi pakka nahee ho paa raha hai.
Baba – Isliye toh bola hai Amrit Vela sudhaara toh sab sudhar jaavega. Ek tarah ka challenge ho gaya na.
Jigyasu – Baba, shareeer say baitha nahee jaataa. Pair dukhtey hain.Baba – Jinki duty hee raat ko 12 bajey say subah 8 bajey tak hoti hai voh kaisey duty kartey hain? Unka shareeer dukhtaa hai kya? Paisey miltey hain toh aaraam say duty hoti hai. Yahaan kya praapti honi hai so dikhaai nahee day rahee hai isliye neend aa jaati hai.

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Jigyasu – Baba, smritilabdha mana kya?
Baba – Jab tak smritilabdha nahee hua hai tab tak jaisey chalaaogey vaisey nahee chaloonga. Apnee manmaani chaal chaloonga aur jab smriti praapt ho gayee ki isee kay dwara mera kalyaan hona hai, duniya may aur koi nahee hai, jo meraa kalyaan karey, toh ‘karishye vachanam twah:’. Jo aap kahengey so hee karoonga. Mujhey smriti aa gayee, is duniya may mera koi kalyaankaari nahee hai. Shiv kay sivaay sab akalyaankaari hai, ye smriti mujhey aa gayee. Smritilabdha praapt ho gayee.

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Someone asked: Baba, Amrit Vela is also known as Brahma Muhoort. So, what does it mean?
Baba replied: The rise of Brahma takes place only at Amrit Vela. That is why Brahma’s night and Brahma’s day is also famous. The day of deities and night of deities is not famous. Brahma’s muhoort (auspicious moment) is Brahmin’s muhoort. It showers nectar (at that time). That is the nectar of knowledge. Shiv comes only at Amrit Vela. He does not come before 12 O’Clock. Amrit Vela is only after 12. That is why it is the Amritmuhoort. Amrit Vela.
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Someone asked – Baba, inspite of wanting to, the Amrit Vela from 2 to 5 A.M. is not becoming firm (i.e. successful).
Baba replied – That is why it has been said that if one improves one’s Amrit Vela , then everything would improve. It is a kind of a challenge, isn’t it?
Someone said – Baba, the body does not allow me to sit. I experience pain in the legs.
Baba said – How do the ones, whose duty timing is from 12 O’clock in the night to 8 O’clock in the morning, perform their duty? Do they experience body pain? They get money, so, they perform duty comfortably. Here, one is unable to see the attainment that one is going to achieve, that is why one falls asleep.

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Someone said – Baba, what does ‘smritilabdha’ mean?
Baba replied – Until one has not become smritilabdha, (one thinks that) ‘I will not follow the directions that you want me to follow’. I would act as per my mind’s desires. And when one becomes aware that my upliftment/benefit (kalyaan) is going to be caused through this one alone; there is nobody else in the world to cause my benefit/upliftment, so, ‘karishye vachanam tav.’ I will do only whatever you say. I have become aware that nobody in this world is beneficial to me. Except Shiv everyone else is harmful. I have become aware of this. I have become smritilabdha.

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Note:- The Hindi and English versions of the extracts of above mentioned Discussion CD are just draft versions. The words added within brackets in the English version have been added by the Translator to make the meaning more clear.

Discussion CD No.315, dated 10.05.07 at Farrukhabad mini-Madhubans

Jigyasu - Baba, Gita pathshala kholney kay liye kaun see formality poori honi chaahiye?
Baba - Ek toh bhatti kiya hua ho. Jo Murli may bola hai mahatwa bhatti ka, saat din kee Advance Course kee bhatti ho aur doosra Hindi jaan-ney vala ho aur teesri baat hai ki Brahman banaa hai toh pravrittimarg ka dharma sthaapan ho rahaa hai. Toh pravrittimarg vala ho. Kam say kam aisa andar say yah bhaav rahey ki ham Gitapathshala kholkey baithey hain toh aaney vaaley student kahin ye na jaaney ki inki do matein hain. Gitapathshala may nimitt teacher toh mata hogi. Toh jisko nimitt teacher banaya jayega us teacher kee avahelnaa nahee honi chaahiye. Koi baat may agar cross hota bhi hai toh Baba kay saamney rakhkar uska solution levein. Ye teen baatein hain. Koi bhi Gita pathshala khol sakta hai. Iskay liye ye bhi jaroori nahee hai ki badaa makaan ho. Koi kay paas ek kamraa hai toh Murli may bola hai - usmay safai karke class chalaao, usee may khana banaao aur usee may safai karke fir raat may so jao.

Someone asked - Baba, which formality should be completed to open a Gita pathshala?
Baba said - Firstly they should have done bhatti. The importance of bhatti which has been mentioned in the Murli : they should have done the seven-days bhatti of Advance Course. And secondly, they should know Hindi and thirdly, if he has become a Brahmin, then a religion of the path of household (pravrittimarg) is being established. So, one must be a householder. At least there should be a feeling from inside that we are sitting having opened a Gitapathshala; so, the student who comes should not come to know that these people have two opinions. The mother would be the teacher instrumental in the Gitapathshala. So, the teacher who would be made instrumental, should not be neglected. Even if they cross [i.e. there is difference of opinion] in any matter, then it should be presented before Baba and a solution should be sought. These are the three matters. Anyone can open a Gitapathshala. For this, it is not even necessary that there should be a big house. If someone has one room, then it has been said in the Murli that – clean it and hold class, cook in the same room and clean the same room and then sleep in the night.

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Note:- The Hindi and English versions of the extracts of above mentioned Discussion CD are just draft versions. Only when the translation of the entire discussion contained in this VCD* is released, that may be considered as the final version. The words added within brackets in the English version have been added by the Translator to make the meaning more clear. The words in italics are Hindi words.

Disc.CD No.326, dated 25.05.07 at Anantpur

Jigyasu - Glaani kee paribhasha kya hai?
Baba - Glaani kee paribhasha ye hai - jo gaayan yogya cheez hai, jo gaayan yogya vyakti hai uska gaayan na karnaa, uskee mahima na karnaa, vo mahima ko glaani may badal dena, ulta kar dena, satya ko asatya kar dena, asatya ko sachcha saabit kar dena. Jaisey aaj kay kaaley coat vaaley vakeel hotey hain.

Jigyasu - Tap kar raaj, raaj kar narkaa. Toh kya ham seva kar saktey hain sabhi ko bataaney ke liye ki jo aatmaa tap kar rahee hai vahee aatma say saavdhaan rahnaa hai ki vahee aatma hamaari duniya ko nark banaaney ke liye nimitt banee hai?
Baba - Voh jab dwaitvaadi yug Dwapar / Kaliyug kee shooting hoti hai tab kee baat hai. Adwaitvaadi yug kee shooting karney vala toh pyaar may rahega. Tapasya may kyon tapega? Pyaar may rahnaa mana tapasya automatic hoti hai. Tapasya maaney aatmik sthiti. Jitnaa Ishwariya seva may lagey rahengey, utnaa automatic Baap hamko pyaar karega. Baap serviceable bachhon ko Yaad kartey hain. Toh Baap kee Yaad kee power un bachchon ko milegi aur voh automatic aatmik sthiti may sthit ho jaayengey. Unhay tapasya mahsoos hee nahee hogi.


Someone asked - What is the definition of glaani (defamation)?
Baba replied - The definition of glaani (defamation) is that –not praising, not glorifying the praiseworthy thing, praiseworthy person; transforming the glory/praise into defamation, making it opposite, changing truth into untruth/falsehood, proving untruth/falsehood as truth. Just like the present day advocates who wear black coats.

Someone asked - It has been said - 'Tap kar raaj, raaj kar narkaa' (one becomes a king through penance and after becoming a king one creates a hell by becoming egotistic) So, can we do the service of telling everyone that they should be cautious of the soul which is performing penance, because the same soul is instrumental in making our world a hell?
Baba - It is a matter of the time when the shooting of that dualistic Age, i.e. Copper Age / Iron Age takes place. The one who performs the shooting of the non-dualistic Age (advaitvaadi yug) will remain in love. Why would he burn in the (fire of) penance? Remaining in love means that the penance (tapasya) takes place automatically. Tapasya means soul conscious stage. As much one is engaged in Godly service, that much the Father will automatically love us. The Father remembers the serviceable children. So, those children would receive the power of the Father's remembrance/thoughts and they would automatically become constant in the soul conscious stage. They would not feel it (to be) a penance at all.

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Note:- The Hindi and English versions of the extracts of above mentioned Discussion CD are just draft versions. Only when the translation of the entire discussion contained in this VCD* is released, that may be considered as the final version. The words added within brackets in the English version have been added by the Translator to make the meaning more clear. The words in italics are Hindi words.

Discussion CD No.320, dated 16.05.07 at Rourkela

Jigyasu - Baba, 'Raj karega khaalsaa' iska thoda clear bataayengey?Baba - Kaun say dharma kee baat hai? Aur dharmon kee baat kyon nahee hai?
Jigyasu - Sanaatan dharma kaa aaspaas ...
Baba - Ek Sanaatan Dharma ka ek hee sahyogi hai, jo Kaliyug kay madhya may aata hai. Jo taamsi Kaliyug hai us taamsi Kaliyug kay madhya may Sikh dharma kee sthaapanaa hoti hai. Sikh dharma vaaley hee ye gaayan kartey hain - 'Raaj karega khaalsaa'. Sikh dharma vaaley hee kyon gaayan kartey hain? Kyonki unkay dharma say connected koi aatma hai, jo unkay dharma kay hisaab say bahut khaalis hai, jisnay Sangamyug may Baap ko bahut sahyog diya hai. Us prakaar ka sahyog aur aatmaon nay nahee diya. Fir bhi taamsi yug ka dharma hai. Voh aatma bhi jab apnaa kaarya poora karke Baap kee sahyogi banti hai. Toh pratyakshataa ho jaati hai. Isliye Sikh dharma maatra may hee gaayan hai - Raaj karega khaalsaa. Devi-devataa Sanaatan Dharma ya Hindu Dharma kee aatmaon may gaayan nahee hai - Raaj karega khaalsaa. Devi-devataa sanaatan dharma kee aatmaon may gaayan nahee hai - Raaj karega khaalsaa. Devi-devataa Sanaatan Dharma may kiska raajya gaaya hua hai? Lakshmi Narayan kaa raajya gaya hua hai, Ram ka rajya gaya hua hai.

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Someone asked - Baba, could you please clarify [the proverb] 'raaj karega khaalsaa' (i.e. the pure would rule)?
Baba - It is a matter of which religion? Why is it not a matter of other religions?
Someone said - It is somewhat near the Sanaatan dharma (ancient religion) ...
Baba - There is only one helper of the Sanaatan Dharma, which comes in the middle of the Iron Age. The degraded Iron Age which is there, Sikhism gets established in the middle of that degraded Iron Age. Only the people belonging to the Sikh religion praise/sing - 'Raaj karega khaalsa'. Why do only the people belonging to Sikhism praise/sing? It is because there is a soul connected to their religion, who is very pure from the point of view of their religion, who has extended a lot of cooperation to the Father in the Confluence Age. No other soul gave that kind of cooperation. But still it is a religion of the degraded Age. When even that soul completes its task and becomes cooperative to the Father, then revelation takes place. That is why it is praised in Sikhism alone - 'Raaj karegaa khaalsaa'. It is not praised among the souls of ancient deity religion or Hinduism - Raaj karegaa khaalsaa'. In the deity religion, whose kingdom is praised? The kingdom of Lakshmi-Narayan is praised; the kingdom of Ram is praised.

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Note:- The Hindi and English versions of the extracts of above mentioned Discussion CD are just draft versions. Only when the translation of the entire discussion contained in this VCD* is released, that may be considered as the final version. The words added within brackets in the English version have been added by the Translator to make the meaning more clear. The words in italics are Hindi words.

Disc.CD No.327, dated 27.05.07 at Tadepalligudem

Someone asked: Today, (in the Murli) Baba has permitted the children to the extent that (sometimes) disservice (may) take place; that is why one can consume in helpless condition. Earlier He did not permit like this.
Baba replied: It has also been said that – one can take milk and doubleroti (i.e.bread) under helpless condition (laachaari). Well, one should not make it a rule that wherever we get a chance, we start eating.

Someone asked: Why is Shankar called Swayambhu?
Baba replied: He is called Swayambhu. Yes. Bhu means one who takes birth. Swayambhu means one who takes birth on his own. No Father gives birth to him. He (gets revealed) in the world himself. For example , when a child gets revealed, it is said that a child took birth. Earlier the child was incognito; later, he got revealed in the world. But a Father has given birth to him. But God is swayambhu (self-born). He does not have any Father to give birth to Him. He gets revealed in the world on His own, let however much opposition Maya may do. Let the entire world may be on one side and the Father is on the other side, even then nobody can stop his reveletion-like birth. He would certainly get revealed, that is why He is called swayambhu. Khuda (God/Allah) is ‘khud’, i.e. Himself.

Someone asked: Baba, in the picture of ‘Trilok’, the three abodes have been depicted - the corporeal world, the Subtle Region, and the Supreme Abode. The Sun, the Moon and the stars have been depicted above the corporeal world. Is it a memorial of the Sun of Knowledge, the Moon of knowledge and the stars of knowledge?
Baba replied: Yes.
Someone asked: And above that the Subtle Region is shown.
Baba said: No Subtle Region has been depicted. That, which is shown, is only a depiction of the high stage of the intellect (of those), who forget this corporeal world. After forgetting the corporeal world, three stages are achieved. One is the stage of Brahma, who used to remain in the thinking and churning of the new world. He used to see only the new world, but how would that new world be brought about, that used not to come into his intellect. For example, if a child is given a toy, he keeps playing with that toy. Similarly, Brahma, with a child-like intellect used to remain in a high stage, but that high stage is not so high that he could be said to know the method of reaching the new world. So there are two forms to know the method – One is the practical form and the second is the planning form. The planning party plans for the new world. How would the new world come? What would be the methodology? It remains busy in these matters. And (it) forgets the corporeal world. That is the highest intellectual stage. The practical party acts on the basis of the map prepared by them. And (it) builds the new world; that is why they would be neither called the highest nor the lowest. Medium. So, these are the three stages of the intellect. One is the planning party, which thinks and churns at the highest stage of the intellectual level. And the second is the practical party and the third is the inspirating party. They do not have their own body, even then they enter in the bodies of the children belonging to the practical party and the planning party and keeps giving them zeal and enthusiasm because they possess a subtle body, they can go, come and extend cooperation from anywhere to anywhere in a moment . So, that Subtle Region has been depicted only for the purpose of explanation as the three abodes, but as such it does not exist. It has just been depicted that how does the intellect remain in a stage detached from the corporeal world, from the world of five elements. That is why it has even been said at many places in the Murlis that – what is the Subtle Region? Nothing.

Someone asked – Baba Paramdham has been shown above the Subtle Region ...
Baba replied – That has been shown above only because there is only the seed-like stage there. There is not even any thinking and churning. There is no stage of the mind. The mind becomes aman (peaceful/without mind). It is only a matter of becoming constant in the form.

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Note:- The Hindi and English versions of the extracts of above mentioned Discussion CD are just draft versions. Only when the translation of the entire discussion contained in this VCD* is released, that may be considered as the final version. The words added within brackets in the English version have been added by the Translator to make the meaning more clear. The words in italics are Hindi words.

Disc.CD No.306, dated 12.4.07 at Calcutta, and 27.4.07 at Nilanga

Discussion at Calcutta

Someone said – It has been said in the Murli that I come at the Confluence of every Kalpa [cycle]; then it has been said that I do not come in every Age/Era; then it has been said that I come at the Confluence of Kalpa, Kalpa, Kalpa [3 cycles]. What is the meaning of Kalpa, Kalpa, Kalpa [‘cycle’ repeated three times]?
Baba replied – I come at the Confluence of Kalpa, Kalpa, Kalpa. So, Kalpa is repeated thrice. When the shooting of deity class takes place till 1976, during the shooting of the deity class, there are four stages. Satopradhaan, satosaamaanya, rajo and tamo. These are the four Ages. It constitutes one Kalpa (cycle). Similarly, the shooting of the Silver-Aged Kshatriya class. Even in that there are four stages, four Ages. It constitutes one Kalpa (cycle). Similarly, the shooting of the souls of the Copper-Aged Vaishya class. It is said Brahma created the world thrice and destroyed it all the three times. The word ‘Kalpa’ that has been uttered thrice is regarding the shooting period.

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Someone asked – How will the five elements of nature become daasi (servant)?
Baba replied – Now, when water comes as flood, then it disturbs, it inundates/ submerges, it kills or not? So, it is a degraded nature. The form of water. Similarly, will the rivers cause floods in the Golden Age? Will the ocean rise up? No. Because the deity of water became pure. It became pleasant/comforting. Similar is the account of other elements.
Someone said – In the Confluence Age what task would the living nature perform in the form of a maid-servant/servant (daasi)?
Baba replied – In the Confluence Age the nature has to assume a degraded form till the end, but for the people of the world, not for Father’s children. There would not be any effect of the fury/rage of nature on the Father’s true children. A multi-storied building would collapse completely. The Father’s child would survive/be safe. In spite of the nature being degraded, it would not be able to cause any harm to the Father’s children.
Someone asked – Will one get safety after going to Mount Abu or before (going there)?
Baba replied – Mount Abu exists until the last destruction does not take place. In the last destruction everything gets finished. Whichever atom of the Earth had started its journey from whichever place, it would reach the same place.

Discussion at Nilanga

Someone asked: Baba, scriptures are prepared on the lines appearing on the palm. What is the basis for making scriptures?
Baba replied: The karma [actions] performed by us. These lines can even change. The lines on the palm even change every five years. Why do they change? As and how we go on performing karma [actions], the lines appearing on the face, the lines on the palm keep changing.

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Note:- The Hindi and English versions of the extracts of above mentioned Discussion CD are just draft versions. Only when the translation of the entire Murli contained in this VCD* is released, that may be considered as the final version. The words added within brackets in the English version have been added by the Translator to make the meaning more clear. The words in italics are Hindi words.

Disc.CD No.298, dated 20.04.07 at Peetampura

Time: 2.50
Someone asked: Baba, for how many births would the souls of Shankar and Parvati be together?
Baba replied: There are 500-700 crore actors. It is a tree of the creation of variety human beings. So, there might also be some such souls, who remain together for many births. Will there not be any? Arey! There might be some. They are the hero and heroine actors.
Someone asked: So, do they always play a part in the form of a couple?
Baba replied: It has not been said 'in the form of a couple'. Here, Baba has given us a target/goal of (maintaining) all the relationships (with Him). Has He given the target of (maintaining) one relationship or all the relationships? He has given us the target/goal of (maintaining) all the relationships. He has also told us - the feelings (bhaasnaa) of the relationship that would not be experienced here through the Father, one would keep longing for that relationship for many births. Those souls are very fortunate/lucky, who have experienced all the relationships with one Father in the Confluence Age. It has been said in the path of worship - janma janma lagee ragar hamari varahu shambhu na tu rahoon kunwaari (Our love/affection is for many births, I would either marry Shambhu or remain a virgin) Either Shambhu means that Shambhu is Shiv. Swayambhu (self born) [This is a matter of the Confluence Age, as the shooting done here so will be the broad drama]. It is not a matter of Shankar. So, it has been said - …either I will marry Shambhu, i.e. either I will marry Shankarji, otherwise I will spend my life as a virgin. It is a matter of the path of devotion. In the path of knowledge it is a matter about maintaining all the relationships with one Father. One ShivBaba and none else.

Time: 5.05
Someone asked: Baba, a couple left their body one after the other. So, after leaving their bodies, the next birth that they would take; will they be born as a couple or will they take birth separately?
Baba replied: If their attachment is strong and if they are not attached to anyone else. Just as there is a Sati woman (who remains faithful to her husband in her thoughts, words and speech). She had attachment for one person in her life till the end. Ant matey so gatey (as the thoughts in the end so shall be one’s fate). So, she can take the next birth as a woman, but she cannot take more than two consecutive births as a female. One can take either two consecutive births as a male or two consecutive births as a female; as regards the third birth, it would change.

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Disc.CD No.302, dated 24.04.07 at Daund

Time: 00.00 (starting)

Someone said - Baba, it is said that the dreams that we have in the early morning become true.
Baba - There is a time (vela) for dreams too. The dreams that are seen in the pure Amrit Vela (predawn period) also turn out to be true, but it is also a matter of one's stage. If someone makes very good efforts, if a good effort-maker has dreams at Amrit Vela, then it can also turn out to be true. Its indication is that when one opens the eyes after waking up, one would feel very happy. But one should not pay much attention to these matters. Dreams and visions are the indications of the path of devotion (Bhaktimarg). It’s not like this that if one has a good dream, if one gets nice divine visions; that is it; we have achieved the attainments. No, if we make good efforts, then we would achieve good attainments/gains. Many people had nice divine visions in the beginning of the Yagya. Did those who had divine visions, even guess about heaven? They could not even guess.

Time: 7.45

Someone said - Baba - Baba says in the Murli that applying Bindi [the vermillion mark on the forehead] is also an indication of the path of worship. Now we can give-up (i.e. stop applying Bindi), but people say that you do not even apply Bindi. Is your knowledge like this?
Baba replied - They even say that you do not get your children married. Is your knowledge like this?
Someone said - So, what reply should be given?
Baba replied - Those people say many things. Should we keep imbibing [put into practice] whatever those people keep telling?
Someone said - No.
Baba - Then, one has to definitely face the society, shouldn't one? There are so many evil customs/practices in the society. Arey, sages and saints had started the custom of applying bindi and teeka so that we remember each other as a soul, a point. We have to become constant in the soul conscious stage; that is why apply teeka. They did not start the tradition so that we follow the tradition and forget its essence.
Someone said - Baba, those who do not apply bindi, teeka, do not wear bangles are Muslims....
Baba – Little indeed do you know that we have applied the bindi internally. Internally we are constant in remembrance. Is it better to become constant in remembrance, to become constant in soul conscious stage internally or is it better to apply the external teeka? (Someone said - the internal one) they would understand only when you explain them.
Someone said - They say that Muslims, Christians do not apply Bindi, do not wear bangles.
Baba said - That is correct that when God comes, the souls belonging to Muslim religion, the souls belonging to Christianity cannot become constant in the soul conscious stage. They become body conscious to some extent or the other. They get entangled in the trap their own religious gurus. That is why they are unable to become pakka, i.e. firm souls. That is why they do not apply bindi or teeka. Only the residents of India (Bharatwasis) are firm in the deity religion. How many? Nine hundred thousand, who apply the teeka of firm soul conscious stage and even take complete 84 births.
Someone said - Then should we apply the gross one (i.e. gross bindi) or not?
Baba replied - Should one show-off or not? In Indian tradition it is not good to show-off. One should not at all show-off knowledge and Yoga (i.e. remembrance). This is a secret matter. The more secretive something is kept, the more the power it would retain. The more one shows-off, the more the power would decrease. For example, donation; if we donate by showing-off to others that we are donating so much, then its power finishes. There is great benefit/fortune in incognito donation (gupt daan mahaakalyaan). Similarly, whatever efforts one makes, the more one makes incognito efforts, the more powerful it would be.

Time: 20.48

Someone asked - Baba, what is the difference between Rishi and Muni?
Baba replied - A pure one is called Rishi and the one who thinks and churns is called Muni. Like Kapil Muni. Kapil Muni was called a Muni, and not a Rishi. And Naarad was called a Devrishi, a Rishi. Those who remain pure are called Rishis. Those who think and churn more are called Munies.

Time: 56.06

Someone asked - Baba, ShivBaba likes knowledgeable children. Baba has said that an illiterate mother can also gallop ahead. So, the bandheli mother (the mother in bondages) does not listen to The Knowledge; so, can she also come in the rosary of 108?
Baba - The one who is sharp in the remembrance would also become sharp in The Knowledge in the end. He would become sharp in inculcation (of knowledge) too. All the powers come with the power of remembrance. (Someone asked - even the illiterate mother?) Even if someone were an illiterate mother, she would become the sharpest in the power of knowledge, power of inculcation and the power of doing service through vibrations.
Someone asked - But they do not have knowledge and Baba likes the knowledgeable children.
Baba replied - They do not have knowledge; but there will be love, attachment, devotion for the Father. When the kingship of the world can be obtained through the power of Yoga, then cannot one get inculcation, service and knowledge?

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Disc.CD No.273, dated 21.03.07 at Pune

Time: 34.16

Someone asked: Baba, what is the meaning of Mahashivratri?
Baba replied: Such raatri, i.e. night which is beneficial. It is indeed a night, but is beneficial. It is so beneficial that no other night is so beneficial. Copper and Iron Age is complete night and in that Copper & Iron Age-like night there have been big persons who pretended to be God. What did the people consider them to be? That they are God, but all those small nights are not as beneficial as Mahashivratri. A night of stark darkness of ignorance. When Abraham came, the darkness of ignorance had not spread so much. So, there were no mutual disputes/fights over matters of religion, over places of religion. Later on, quarrels/fights related to matters of religion began and now all the disputes are related only to matters of religion. All the fights are related to just inculcation [or practices]. Some say that our version is true, and some say that our version is true. Nobody knows what the truth is. Everyone is in the darkness of ignorance. That is why Mahaashivratri (the great night of Shiv), so much darkness of ignorance never spreads in the world at any other time. But, because of the arrival of God, that night also becomes beneficial. After complete darkness comes complete daylight.

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Disc.CD No.261, Part-I, dated 18.02.07 at Mumbai

Samay: 2.26
Jigyasu – Baba, ek Murli may bola hai ki – Jo Narayan kay bachhey hongey voh Narayan ko milengey aur jo Narad kay bachhey hongey voh Narad ko milengey. Iska arth?
Baba: Narayan mana jinka ‘naar’arthaat gyaan hee ghar hai. Unki aatma gyaan kay manan-chintan-manthan may hee rahegi, saakaari duniya may baar-baar buddhi aana jana nahee karegi aur jo Narad kay bachhey hongey, ‘naar’ mana gyaan jal ‘da’ mana deneyvala arthaat jo sirf doosron ko gyaan jal deta hai lekin khud sakari duniya may bhi bhraman karta rahta hai. Narad ko dikhaatey hain ki teenon lok may bhraman kartey thay. Doosron ko kahtey thay swarg chalo, swarg chalo, Vaikunth chalo aur khud kahaan dikhaatey hain apan ko? Dukhdhaam kee duniya may. Aisey gyaan jal doosron ko baantney vaaley aur khud na dhaaran karney vaaly, jinko bandar ka chehra dikhaya jata hai, voh numberwaar kam kalaa kay Narayan bantey hain, jinko Narad kaha gaya hai. Jo Satyug kay saat Narayan hain, voh Narad hain numberwaar.

Samay: 19.34
Jigyasu – Baba, Achyutam-Keshawam-Ram-Narayanam, Krishna-Damodaram-Vasudevam-Harim, aisa kaha hai Murli may. Toh Vasudevam-Harim matlab?
Baba - Vasudev ka putra Vaasudev, ek maatra badh jaati hai putra kay ya follower kay arth may. Jaisey Brahma kay putra Brahman, Vishnu kay follower Vaishnav, aisey hee Vaasudev. Vasu mana dhan-sampatti, dev mana deneyvala. Vasudev mana dhan-sampatti deneyvala. Had kee ya behad kee? Kaun hai? ShivBaba hai Vasudev aur uska bachha Vaasudev. Bhaktimarg may usko Krishna Bhagwaan kah diya hai. Toh kahtey hain 'Hey Krishna Narayan Vasudev' ab usay Narayan kaho, chaahey Vaasudev kaho, chaahey Sangamyugi Krishna kaho, baat ek hee hai.

Kisi Bhai nay poocha: Baba 21 janmon kay aadhaar par 63 janma miltey hain, abhi Satyug may pehle Narayan, doosra Narayan, ye toh alag-alag dharma kee aatmaen hain, unka pad toh ooncha hai parantu unko kis aadhaar par agley 63 janma milengey?
Baba nay jawaab diya: Kyonki unhonay kalaaon ko abhi apney aatma may baandha hai. Apney andar kalaaen bhar lee hai, gunon ko bhar liya hai. Kisi nay 16 kalaa sampoorna tak bharaa hai, aur kisi nay pauney 16, 15 kalaa bharaa hai. Kisi nay pauney 14 bharaa hai. Toh jisney jisney jitnaa gun aur kalaaon ko apnee aatma may samaaya hai voh taakat dwaapar Kaliyug may bhi kaam aati hai. Aur yahaan shooting hoti hai. Jitnaa Shrimat par chaltey hain Shrimat par chalney kay abhyaasi bantey hain, utnaa-utnaa sukhh ikattha kartey hain, sukh leney kay abhyaasi bantey hain, raajaai paaney kay abhyaasi bantey hain aur jitnaa Shrimat kay barkhilaaf chaltey hain utnaa neech pad paaney kay abhyaasi bantey hain.
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Time: 2.26
Someone asked – Baba, it has been said in a Murli that – those who are Narayan’s children would meet Narayan and those who are Narad’s children would meet Narad. What does it mean?
Baba replied: Narayan means the one whose house itself is ‘naar’, i.e. knowledge. His soul would be busy only in the thinking and churning of knowledge. His intellect would not enter and leave the corporeal world repeatedly. And those who are Narad’s children; ‘Naar’ means the water of knowledge, ‘da’ means ‘deneyvala’ i.e. the giver, i.e. the one who always just gives the water of knowledge to others, but he himself keeps roaming in the corporeal world too. It is depicted that Narad used to roam around in /visit all the Three Worlds. He used to tell others, “Let us go to heaven, let us go to heaven, let us go to Vaikunth,” and where does he present himself to be? In the world of sorrows (dukhdhaam). Such persons, who distribute the water of knowledge to others and do not imbibe themselves, who is depicted to have a monkey’s face, become the Narayans with lesser celestial degrees, who are called Narad. The seven Narayans of the Golden Age are numberwise Narads.

Time: 19.34
Someone said – Baba, it has been said in Murli that Achyutam-Keshawam, Ram-Narayanam, Krishna-Damodaram, Harim. So what does Vasudevam, Harim mean?Baba replied- Son of Vasudev is Vaasudev. One maatra [syllable, a vowel mark in Devnagari script) increases in the context of a son or a follower. For example, sons of Brahma are Brahmins; followers of Vishnu are Vaishnav; similar is the case with Vaasudev. Vasu means wealth and property; Dev means giver. Vasudev means the giver of wealth and property. Is it (the wealth and property) in a limited sense or in an unlimited sense? Which one? ShivBaba is Vasudev and His son is Vaasudev. In the path of worship he is called God Krishna. So, they say, “O Krishna, Narayana, Vaasudev” Well, call him Narayan, call him Vaasudev, call him the Confluence-Aged Krishna, it is one and the same.

Someone asked: Baba, one gets 63 births on the basis of 21 births. Now, in the Golden Age, the first Narayan, the second Narayan - they are souls belonging to different religions. Their post is high, so on what basis will they get the next 63 births?
Baba replied: It is because they have now bound the celestial degrees in their souls. They have recorded the celestial degrees in themselves; they have filled virtues in themselves. Some have recorded up to 16 celestial degrees, and some have recorded up to 15 3/4, some 15 celestial degrees. Some have recorded 13.75 (celestial degrees). So, the extent to which one fills the virtues and celestial degrees in one's soul, that power proves useful in the Iron Age also. And here the shooting takes place. The more one follows the Shrimat, the more one becomes practiced in following the Shrimat, the more one accumulates happiness, the more one becomes practiced in receiving happiness, the more one becomes practiced in receiving kingship, and the more one goes against the Shrimat, the more one becomes practiced in achieving degraded posts.

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Disc.CD No.293, dated 11.04.07 at Hyderabad

Time: 17.40
Someone asked: Baba what is the difference between nidra (sleep) and yognidra (yogic sleep)?
Baba said: Yoga with whom?
Someone said: With ShivBaba.
Baba replied: If one remembers ShivBaba, if one remembers Him even while sleeping, then it is ‘Yoga nidra’ and if there is sleep, but there is no remembrance of Baba, if one has just worldly dreams, if one remembers only the worldly faces, then it is ‘nidra’ (sleep).

Time: 57.40
Someone asked: Baba, a Brother's question is that in the beginning of the Yagya the personality of Prajapita was sinful. That is why Shiv entered him. So then, he took rebirth and came (in the Yagya) in 1969. At that time he was a Kumar (unmarried male) and had a pure body. At that time, how did He enter him?
Baba replied: “All Kumars are pure (?) All the Kumars in this world are pure (?)” – it is so, is not it? And what about (the version that) ‘all men are Duryodhans and Dushasans’?
Someone said: That is, is he sinful through the mind and intellect or is he sinful along with the body?
Baba replied: Baba has said that those who read more novels and see more films, such souls meet downfall more than anyone else. So, will they be called sinful or pure? Baba has said that maximum/utmost downfall is caused by watching bioscope (i.e. films) and by reading novels. Whether one is a Kumar, a Kumari, an Adharkumar, an Adharkumari. If they have read more novels and watched more movies, then will the soul become sinful or will it become pure? What would it be called?
Someone said: It would be called sinful only.
Baba said: It would be called sinful.
Someone said: It means that the bodily being who was there first (Prajapita) was not so sinful.
Baba said: One has to become more sinful in the next birth (i.e. in his second birth in the Confluence Age) or one has to become less sinful? One has to become more sinful.

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Disc.CD No.297, dated 19.04.07 at Bangalore

Time: 6.42
Someone asked: Will the studies continue even after the departure of Father Shiv to the Supreme Abode?
Baba replied: When the fire would be ignited. Whom does the Supreme Soul Father come to teach? He comes to teach the Suryavanshi children (children of the Sun Dynasty) and the study of the Suryavanshi children has been completed. So, cannot those children teach others? Generally, even in the colleges and schools which exist in today's world, there are monitors. When the teacher is not present, the monitor keeps controlling (the class). It is an unlimited study. (Souls) are number wise even in studies. Some gallop far ahead. They get the top number in the entire class.

Time: 11.33
Someone asked: Baba, Ram-Sita wear Khadi clothes and Lakshmi-Narayan wear Makhmal (velvet) clothes. What does it mean?
Baba replied: Khadi is spun by hand. Its yarn/thread (soot) is spun by hand and the (Khadi) cloth is also woven by hand. Which is that hand? It is the intellect-like hand. So, God Himself prepares the cloth-like body of Ram and Sita with His intellect-like hands. The specialty of the Khadi cloth is that - it gives warmth in winters and remains cool in summers. It gives comfort in the winters as well as summers. The winter season is the cold season - the Golden Age and the Silver Age. There it gives happiness/comfort anyways, but in the summer season, i.e. Copper Age and Iron Age, (when) the heads become hot, even there they give happiness/comfort to every soul. All those souls in whose connection or contact they would come would experience happiness from them. Only at the confluence of the end of the Iron Age and the beginning of the Golden Age, when the Supreme Soul Father comes, the Khadi clothes bring sorrow. Ram is also felt to be the cause of sorrows (dukhdaayi) and Sita is also felt to be the cause of sorrows because Sita's role is the role of Mahakali and who is present along with Mahakali? Mahakaal is also present. They are felt to be cause of sorrows (dukhdaayi), and they become heavy. Confluence Age is a rainy season, is not it? Golden Age and Silver Age are the Ages of winter/cold, Copper Age and the Iron Age is the Age of summer/warmth and the Confluence Age is the season of rain of knowledge. Khadi becomes sticky in that (season) ... Arey! One does not wish to wear Khadi. One wishes to get wet. Khadi becomes very heavy when it sticks (to the body).

Someone asked - Baba what about makhmal (velvet)?
Baba replied: It means that it is very comfortable. For example, the velvet cloth (makhmal). It is very soft.

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