shivsena wrote:Honestly, I do not know my position; what I want to prove is that, the whole Godly knowledge was recited by Shivbap through Brahma in a poetic jumbled way from 1947 to 1969 and the only recordings of the Murlis we have are from june 1965 to jan 1969; and it is these Murlis which contain the whole knowledge in a coded form.
Well, thank you for that. I appreciate simple, straightforward honesty.
The problem that the rest of us have is that we do not have the jewel mine that you have, if you have an early edition of the complete set of Murlis. That is quite a treasure.
All PBKs have helped me hugely to see and understand the BKs, and the BKWSU. I respect their upfrontness that the Murlis are incomplete, ambiguous, incoherent and in places deeply metaphorical. Obviously I am not in a position to say that I share anyone's faith, as I have not had the privilege of experiencing Kampil, but at least I accept Virendra Dev Dixit as a supreme churner ... if not the current medium for the Supreme Soul. I would love him to be but I am too beated by my experience with the BKWSU, as seemingly he was, to want to try right now. I can understand why they would not want him around. But, as Andrey says, this stuff is of such a nature that one would not want to just give it all up.
It would be great if you could spend some energy putting the Murlis up somewhere in public, so that we could all follow the debate, such as over in the Encyclopedia where Aimee has started.
http://www.brahmakumaris.info/indexwdev.html
Personally, I am in two minds about it all. It could be code or it could just be garbage. We could just be dancing around for some spooks having a good laugh at us. And I am very embittered about the way that the inner circle of the BKWSU have treated the teachings, the history and the general public now over all this.
To that extent, rather than disputing the finer points of The Knowledge within a very small circle ... which in a sense has no constructive point, as at least you do not think that you are God or a medium ... I think that I would just work on creating a broad base of awareness of The Knowledge, history and practises in the hope that you can change the pre-conditions within which the current consensus exists, e.g. involve more people, fresh minds, loosen or break the BKWSU up so it comes out with a few more of its secrets etc. In short, effect BapDada.
If we create enough of a stir over here, eventually they over there are going to go to Him and ask what is up ... what do we do? We may not be able to effect India but I think we can reach the Western English speaking world. All those high up Double Foriegners all use computers and the internet, so do their contacts, governmental contacts. They are not wanting to looking like spiritual fraudsters. I'd skip the PBKs, who really don't want to know and are happy on their level of faith, and aim elsewhere to find the fish's eye.