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Post15 Sep 2008

Disc.CD No. 535, dated 15.3.08 at Bangalore-1
Part-I


Time: 01.36
Student: As per the path of worship, a lot of natural memorials are found in this world. How is this possible and what is the reason for it? For example, the Ram Setu (Adam’s bridge), Kurukshetra, the Himalaya Mountains, the Mt. Kailash etc.

Baba: Mount Himalaya has not been built. Himalaya is already existent. Similarly, the Ram Setu that exists has not been built. It was already existent naturally. Similarly, Draupadikund was not built. That kund (pit) was already existent in a natural form. Similarly, Mount Govardhan was not built. That is already naturally formed. Similarly, when the deity souls come to the Copper Age, then, in the Copper Age, they first of all prepare wall paintings. The caves are formed in the mountains. In those caves, the sculptors prepare nice pictures. And in those pictures all the emotions of the scriptures are expressed. It means that the intellect is naturally set in such a way that the topic of Confluence Age keep revolving in the intellect about the part which they have played in the Confluence Age.

Initially pictures are prepared; later on scriptures are prepared by observing those pictures. And then they keep depicting their interpretations in the scriptures as well. Initially Vedas like Rigveda, Yajurveda are created. Then Aranyakas are created. Then the pure (satopradhaan) Brahmanas are created. Then Upanishads are created. Then their commentaries, i.e. the Puranas are created. In this manner an expansion takes place. On the basis of the stories mentioned in those scriptures, wherever and whatever (natural) structures people see, they name it. For example, they saw a deep pit near Kampila. So, what was the name that they gave it? They named it Draupadikund (the pit for holy fire from where Draupadi was born).

Similarly, they saw that this portion (of Earth) between Lanka and India is slightly elevated; earlier it must have been elevated. Later on, as the temperature of the world increased, the sea level increases and that (elevated) portion was submerged. But the sailors know that if we sail through this route then the ship will keep dashing (against the elevated portion of the seabed that got submerged). So, they abandoned that route. And they came to know that the obstructive portion lies in this route. So, they named it Ram Setu. Later on, after many years, that Ram Setu broke.

Similar is the case of the Himalaya Mountains. Himalaya Mountains are already naturally very lofty. And what is it covered with? It remains covered by ice. So, they applied a limited sense to that which is in the unlimited sense. The biggest form is Himvaan, who is Parvati’s Father. He is the biggest form. And how is the intellect of that Himvaan? Just as ice remains frozen, his intellect too remains frozen. That is why he has been given the role of a bull. They have grasped a limited sense for that which is in an unlimited sense. The biggest river of India, of the Indian region is the river Brahmaputra. And it flows in a high stage, in the mountainous region. At the end when (river) Ganga merges in it , it merges with the ocean. When the people saw a river in such a form that it flows in an unlimited high stage and at last when the Ganges of knowledge comes and merges with it, then it meets the ocean. When they saw such a formation of the river, they named it Brahmaputra and Ganga
....to be continued
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Post17 Sep 2008

Disc.CD No. 535, dated 15.3.08 at Bangalore-1
Part-II


Time: 6.13.
Student: Baba, who is the tenth, eleventh and twelth Ram among the Rams of the Silver Age?

Baba: Those who become Narayans become Rams. It has been said in the Murlis that the same souls who become Lakshmi-Narayan also become Ram-Sita. As per the version of this Murli, whoever becomes Lakshmi-Narayan of whatever serial number, they will become Ram-Sita of the same serial number. Well, how many Lakshmi-Narayans are there in total?
Student: Eight.
Baba: Eight (Narayans) belong to the Golden Age and the main one, who belongs to the Confluence Age (The one who gets transformed from) a man to Narayan. So, including him there are nine (Narayans in total). So, there are nine Lakshmi-Narayans and they become nine Ram-Sitas in the Silver Age. The Ram-Sitas and the nine Lakshmi-Narayans belong to the Golden Age establishment. Nevertheless they have truthfulness in them. The establishment takes place through truthfulness or does it take place through falsehood? Even if there is a little truth, it becomes instrumental in establishment. And if there is falsehood, then what will falsehood do? Will falsehood lead to destruction or will it bring about construction? It will lead to destruction. So, the last three thrones of the Silver Age; how many (generations) remained after nine? Three. Those three thrones are such that they oppose the appointed Chariot, in which the incorporeal Father Shiv enters.

There are three seed-form souls. They are no doubt Brothers. They obtain advanced knowledge first of all. They are called the four eldest sons of Brahma. But all the three Brothers become the seeds of vidharmis. They lack truthfulness to some extent or the other. And the percentage of falsehood is more. That is why if you see the picture of The Ladder carefully, the last three stairs of the Silver Age have been shown to be cut. What does it mean? These are impaired stairs; it is an impaired kingship. It is a destructive kingdom. Even there they are destructive. So, even at the end of the Iron Age, the kingship established by God , the kingship that God comes and establishes in this world, which does not continue just in the Golden Age and the Silver Age; which kingship continues even in the Copper Age and the Iron Age in all the countries? The one which is called the kingdom of Ram (Ram Rajya). Its indication is the rule of the kings. The three dynasties that rule in the last 100-150 years are all impaired dynasties. What does the kingship of those kings disintegrate into? It becomes a rule of subjects over subjects. That is why those three kingships are related to the Silver Age. They pertain to the seeds of the vidharmis. They are destructive.


Time: 10.05
Student: Baba, the Brahmin children who become seeds here, have been divided into nine categories.

Baba: What do they become?
Student: Seeds.
Baba: Yes.
Student: The children of the seed-form. So, all of them have been divided into nine categories. So, when the broad drama begins, then will these seeds take birth in their own religions or will they go to other religions as well?
Baba: It has been said in the scriptures that nine kinds of gotras originate from nine sages. For example Abraham is ca0lled Sage Gautam. So, the one in whom it (i.e. the soul) enters is an aadhaarmoorth (base-like soul) Narayan. But the one who gives birth to his body is the seed. ... they enter aadhaarmoorth Narayans. So, on their basis the calculations of the various religions are made.
Student: So, there are seeds of all the religions, are there not?
Baba: Yes, there are seeds of Islam religion, there are seeds of Buddhism, and there are seeds of Christianity. Then there are their helper seeds. The seed of the Muslim religion is (helper) the seed of the Muslim religion. (The soul of) Mohammad belonging to Muslim religion will enter only in (the Copper Age body of the soul of) a Narayan, won’t he?
Student: There are four fifty thousand children, i.e. seeds, aren’t there? Those seeds go to the same religion in every birth....
Baba: There are four and a half lakh children; there are categories among those four and a half lakh seeds as well. They do not belong to the same category. What? Some belong to the true category of the Sun Dynasty. Some belong to the category of the Moon Dynasty. Some belong to the category of Buddhist dynasty. So, those who belong to the true category of the Father’s dynasty always remain with the Father. If they belong to the category of the Moon Dynasty, they will become separated from Copper Age onwards in the Moon Dynasty. If they belong to the category of Islam dynasty, then they will extend cooperation to their religious Father (in the Islam religion). They will not cooperate with the Sun Dynasty and the Moon Dynasty.
Student: So, they keep taking birth in the same religion in every birth.
Baba: Similarly transformation keeps taking place. It means that whoever is influenced by whichever religion or by the seed of whichever religion or by the root-like soul of whichever religion here, he will go and keep on becoming influenced by the same religion even there. Suppose there is a seed of the Moon Dynasty. And what is the strength (i.e. number) of the biggest group of the great souls of the Moon Dynasty? Twelve souls. Who is the head of those twelve souls? Jagadamba. So, is Jagadamba a seed of the Moon Dynasty or a seed of some other religion? She is a seed of the Moon Dynasty. Now, in the Confluence Age, the seed of the Moon Dynasty gets cut-off from the seeds of the Sun Dynasty and makes it’s separate group. So, was dualism created or not?

Dualism (dwaitwaad) means dual. How does dualism originate? From Diti. And monism (adwaitwaad) originates from Aditi, i.e. the one who does not oppose. All those who oppose the versions of the Father are vidharmis. The Moon Dynasty does not become vidharmi until it extends cooperation to the Sun of Knowledge. If it extends cooperation, it does not violate. And from the Copper Age, it also starts condemning. To whom will it extend cooperation? The one who is the mother of all the religions, when the Islam religion begins, whom will she cooperate with? She will cooperate with Islam religion. So, the impairment begins from there itself.

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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Post18 Sep 2008

Disc.CD No. 535, dated 15.3.08 at Bangalore-1
Part-III


Time: 14.54
Student: Baba, in today’s Murli Baba has asked us to give searchlight to the world mother.

Baba: Yes. It has not been said to summon her. What was said?
Student: To give search light.
Baba: Yes, to summon means that she should come close to the Father. She should accept the versions of the Father. It is not as if she should directly come and start teaching us or start sustaining us.
Student: It means that she should be transformed while being there.
Baba: She should be transformed while living there or by coming close. It means that she should become a helper (sahyogi). She should not have an opposite Yoga or she should not remain disconnected.
Student: So, we have to summon the vijaymala (rosary of victory).
Baba: Yes, you have to summon the vijaymala; they are always yogi. They were yogi through their mind earlier too. And even now they are a yogi; (but) they are in bondage through the body, that too because of lack of knowledge. When someone catches hold of the ears nicely, then under whose control will the goat be? It will come under the control of the one who catches (its ear).
Student: So, the ears were caught in 1976, weren’t they ?
Baba: No, how can you say like this? Did you have a dream or did you have a vision?
Student: Baba, it has been said that the kingdom of Lakshmi-Narayan will begin.
Baba: Yes, the kingdom of Lakshmi-Narayan will begin. It was not said that Lakshmi Narayan will become Vishnu. “The kingdom will come”, means, is it a matter of the mind or is it a practical thing?
Student: It should have occured practically in her mind as well , shouldn’t it?
Baba: You tell us. Is it a matter of mind or is it a practical thing.
Student: It is a matter of the mind.
Baba: It is a matter of the mind. It is a matter of the mind, means that those who will be under the control of that mother, the souls who will come in contact with her will accept her versions. They might be waiting that when she emerges then we will also....We are not going to switch over to the other side. We will remain with her. We will follow her. Even if Narayan comes in front of us we will not accept him. In this way, the kingdom of Lakshmi-Narayan was established, on the basis of mind, intellectually.

Time: 17.11
Student: Baba, mataji is saying that those who are Suryavanshis will remain only under the control of Lakshmi-Narayan in the Confluence Age.

Baba: It is about those who remain steadfast in the Sun dynasty. They will remain under (the control of) Lakshmi-Narayan. It is alright. It can also be said that they will remain under (the control of) Lakshmi-Narayan.
Student: But Baba when the Golden Age begins, then the rule of Brahma Saraswati and of (the souls belonging to) other religions begins, doesn’t it?
Baba: When the Golden Age begins, where did other religions come from?
Student: No, when the Golden Age begins. For example, there is Kumarka Dadi and the one belonging to the Buddhist religion.
Baba: They do not exist at all. So, how will the other religions exist?
Student: No, Baba, those people sit, don’t they?
Baba: When the Golden Age begins, there is a rule of just the Suryavnshis.
Student: But the one who is the second Narayan.
Baba: So, talk about the decreasing celestial degrees, when the celestial degrees decrease by 1/4th part in the Golden Age.
Student: Yes, then what will be the part of the Suryavanshi souls?
Baba: Then the Suryavanshi souls will keep descending. Will they remain high in every birth?
Student: No, Baba, will the Suryavanshi souls also come under their control?
Baba: Suryavanshi souls will not come under their control. They will remain as their big officers. Those souls will become a part of the subjects in the last birth. In the first birth of the Silver Age, what will King Ram, who existed in the Golden Age, become? Ram becomes praja (subject) and what kind of a subject does he become? Children! your Father has come. What? Even as subjects they will not be ordinary ones . They will be the ones who live in a stage higher than all the first class prosperous subjects.
Student: Even if they become officers, they will have to live under the control of the second Narayan, won’t they?
Baba: Did he remain under him or did he take him under his control?
Student: No, it is not the matter of Ram.
Baba: Then who else is it about?
Student: The second Narayan becomes perfect in 15 3/4 celestial degrees, doesn’t he ? Then the Suryavanshis who the officers have to live under the king, don’t they?
Baba: If not, can anyone become Maharaja in every birth? It is injustice. Then anyone will say , ‘I don’t want to take birth or learn Rajyog. Arey, what is the use of learning Rajyog when we have to live as subordinates in every birth? Is there any benefit?’ The one who is elevated in one birth will go on experiencing downfall in the rest of the Age. The soul of Brahma and Saraswati will become Radha Krishna and then Lakshmi Narayan. What will even they experience in the next birth? They will go on experiencing downfall. We have neither heard nor seen anyone being in the same stage all the time. Can it be possible that every soul remains in the same stage?
Student: It means that the souls which remain perfect in 153/4 celestial degrees....
Baba: The celestial degrees of everyone will decrease.
Student: So, at that time these initial souls belonging to the Sun Dynasty, the souls of the first birth….
Baba: Their celestial degrees will also decrease.
Student: The celestial degrees of those who are perfect in 16 celestial degrees will decrease a little more than those who are 153/4 celestial degrees.
Baba: The celestial degrees of everyone will decrease. Everybody’s celestial degrees will decrease equally, but there will be a difference in the post. Even here it takes place similarly. Will those who are entering the path of knowledge now, be pure or will those who have been following The Knowledge for a long time be more pure? Those who are entering now are pure. Here they enter the path of knowledge and there they descend from the Soul World. The shooting takes place here, doesn’t it?
...(to be continued).
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Post19 Sep 2008

Disc.CD No. 535, dated 15.3.08 at Bangalore-1
Part-IV


Time: 21.28
Student: Baba, those who leave their bodies because of untimely death are included in the list of the most sinful ones (mahaapaapi), are they not? They have to take up a subtle body. Aren’t those, who leave their bodies after surrendering, Suryavanshis?

Baba: How can everyone be Suryavanshi? Are you talking about those who surrender in the basic knowledge or in the advanced knowledge? Which surrendered (group) are you talking about ...?
Student: (The one) in the advanced (knowledge).
Baba: Aren’t there the seeds of different religions within the advance (party)?
Student: There are.
Baba: Then will it not make a difference (in comparison to the others) if they leave their body.
Student: Does it mean that those who leave their bodies are not Suryavanshis?
Baba: Arey! Will there not be any difference between the Suryavanshi seeds and the seeds of the Islam dynasty and the seeds of the lowermost dynasty? Will there be a difference between the sins committed by them or not? There will be.
Student: Does it mean that the Suryavanshis also take up subtle body?
Baba: Those who are true Suryavanshis do not perform such bad actions at all that they have to take up a subtle body. Their indication will be that they will be free from bondages in the last birth.
Student: Does it mean that there are twenty five thousand (steadfast) pakka Suryavanshis?
Baba: They are the subjects. Are twenty five thousand included among the subjects? How many are included among them? The subjects are numbering in lakhs. The kings are very few.

Time: 23.18
Student: Baba, why is (figure/idol of) Hanuman shown to be stuck to the wall?

Baba: Yes, until he has a tail, he remains stuck to the wall of obstacles. Or else his idol is installed on the roadsides. His idols are mostly installed on the roadsides in Aandhra. When Hanumanji must have toured Andhra, he must have roamed on the roads. On the roads or on the railtracks.

Time: 23.50
Student: It is said that Gitapathshalas will be opened in every lane. When will they open?

Baba: They will open in every lane when the sound (of revelation) will spread everywhere, in every lane.
Student: When will it reach (every lane)?
Baba: Arey! Don’t you know the time when the sound will reach (everywhere)? Did you not come to know when the Father will be revealed? When will the revelation of the Father and the son take place?
Student: The revelation will take place in 2018.
Baba: The revelation will take place in 2018. Then there will be Gitapathshalas in every lane.
Student: It will take place in 2018. It will not take place now.
Baba: Yes.

Time: 24.23
Student: Baba, there is ‘purushottam month’, ‘purushottam day’, ‘purushottam moment’. So, can it happen in 2018?

Baba: It will certainly take place then.
Student: It means when the revelation of the Father takes place. When India was divided into India and Pakistan, then a sample of heaven was prepared, wasn’t it? So, those three-four hundred mothers ran away, didn’t they?
Baba: Yes.
Student: So, similarly, whatever has taken place in the beginning should take place now in the end.
Baba: Only those four hundred ran away (from their homes).
Student: Yes, it means that 16108 will run away (from their homes) now.
Baba: Yes, then the news of 16108 having run away (from their homes) should appear in the newspapers, shouldn’t it ?
Student: It means that the task of running away (from homes) takes place before 2018.
Baba: Are you thinking that the task of running away (from homes) is to be performed only at that time? Are you calculating as to when you should run away? What do you want to ask?
Student: In the beginning all the virgins and the mothers faced bondages, didn’t they? They were kept behind seven locks. Later on they got such a chance that they ran away (from their homes), didn’t they? Similarly, will 16108 run away (from their homes) now before 2018?
Baba: Will such a stage of becoming free from bondages come or not? When such a stage (of bondages) had come in the beginning, in the world of Brahmins, will such a stage not come in the end?
Student: It will come. But it will come before 2018 only, won’t it ?
Baba: Do you mean to say ‘after 2018’?
Student: I mean to say ‘before’ (2018).
Baba: Arey! Revelation will take place after 2018.
Student: This task (of running away from homes) completes before that period, doesn’t it?
Baba: What else? It means that you are making calculations as to when should it take place and when should it not take place. It is not as if ‘Do today whatever you have to do tomorrow. And whatever you have to do today, do it right now. The destruction can take place in a second; after that, when will you do it?’ Whatever noble act you have to perform should be performed immediately. Our own thought brings about our failure. If success is to be achieved in any task, then is it our own thought that enables the task or is it anybody else’s thought or word that enables the task? Our own thought makes us fail or pass.
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Post20 Sep 2008

Disc.CD No. 535, dated 15.3.08 at Bangalore-1
Part-V


Time: 26.43
Student: Baba, this mother is asking whether only the virgins (kanyas) who are surrendered will be included among 16108 or will the mothers also be included?

Baba: Are mothers not surrendering? And is it certain about the virgins, is it written on their foreheads that they are virgins or whether they are already mothers or not?
Student: The virgins will only be virgins.
Baba: Will the kanyas only be virgins? Is today’s world like this? It is said in the Murlis that someone is spoiled by Mama (maternal uncle), someone is spoiled by Chacha (paternal uncle), and someone is spoiled by the Father. So, does she remain a virgin or did she become a mother? There are some virgins as well as and some mothers. Moreover, it cannot be said that the number of mothers is less (in the rosary). No. The number of mothers is also good. Is the number of mothers more or is it less (than virgins)? In this knowledge, is the number of mothers more or is the number of virgins more or is the number of Kumars more or is the number of adharkumars more? The number of mothers is more. So, even in the advance (party) the number of mothers is more. Nobody can raise a finger that this one is a virgin or a mother. Nobody has a right to say this.

Time: 29.42
Student: Baba, is remembrance possible while listening to knowledge? I mean to say, when we listen to Murli or watch Murli, can’t we be in remembrance at that time?

Baba: As regards listening to Murli it has been said that you should not do any work at that time except listening to Murli. What? Someone may keep knitting a sweater. That will not work. It means that if someone knits a sweater as well as listens to Murli then it means that his intellect has not developed faith to that extent as to what Godly versions are. You should not do any work while listening to Godly versions. Yes, it does not matter if you perform some task while remembering (Baba). You should practice this. You should perform actions while remembering (Baba). But you should not perform any action while listening to Baba’s Murli.
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Post21 Sep 2008

Disc.CD No. 535, dated 15.3.08 at Bangalore-1
Part-VI


Time: 30.54
Student: Baba, if one powerful gathering gets ready, it will pull each other and the rosary of 108 will be ready. So, the 12 suryavanshis are said to be that powerful gathering, aren’t they? First of all the gathering of the eight is made.
Baba: The eight cannot become (united) at the same time. Even the eight will be said to be united when the destructive ones also are included (in that gathering). Can the establishment and the sustenance be revealed until the old world has not been destroyed? If the beads that cause establishment and the beads that cause sustenance come together, and if the sinful world that spreads dirty vibrations is not destroyed, will those eight achieve their stage? They will not. That is why the task of those four (destructive beads) should also be accomplished. Which four? The deities of Destruction (nashtdev) who cause destruction All those who are opponents (of the Father) and are in the world of the Suryavanshis, whether they are the Chandravanshis, whether they are the Islamvanshis, whether they are Baudhivanshis, whether they are Christianvanshis or whether they are the ones who are included among the subjects among the Suryavanshis ... If they are opponents then all of them lose faith. Those four play such a wonderful part.
Student: It means that the gathering of 12 is not yet ready.
Baba: It will be said to be a gathering of 12 only when those who cause establishment, destruction and benefit, i.e. sustenance come together.
Student: Has it not happened now?
Baba: Brahma’s group, i.e. Brahmasamaji became ready. Vishnu’s group, i.e. the Vaishnav community, who cause sustenance, became ready. But the followers of Shankarji have not become ready. And they have not mixed (with the other two). So, will the new world be established? It cannot be established at all.
Student: It has been said in a Murli as to why destruction has not taken place so far. Those who cause destruction are ready, but it is waiting for those who cause establishment. It has been said so.
Baba: Yes, it is pending because those who bring about the establishment did not bring about the desired establishment. They did not develop that much good wishes and good feelings towards the destructive ones. The four destructive ones from the family (of Suryavanshis), although they are the younger siblings, although they are the deities of destruction, but to whom do they belong? They belong to the family, don’t they? A rule already exists that they too have to perform their task. Although they have to perform the task of cleaning the ****, they have to perform the task of lifting the corpses, but can the task of the family be accomplished without that task being accomplished? Can the (new) world be established? Are Chandaals (cremators) not required in the world? Are scavengers not required? They are definitely required. So, they should also be taken along. It is not like the treatment given to the Harijans, to the people belonging to the lower castes by the people from the upper castes. Arey, dirty, dirty, dirty, go away, keep a distance. Is this an indication of good wishes and good feelings?
Student: But they break the already built household of God here.
Baba: They had broken in the beginning as well. They had broken in 1976 and they will break in the end as well.
Student: The three partially cut stairs that have been shown in The Ladder is their (memorial) ...
Baba: Yes, so, they will spoil their own kingship. What has anyone else got to lose in this?
Student: Baba, I mean to say that they show, don’t they? So, when Prajapita and his group of 12 Suryavanshis go to establish the kingship in the broad drama in the Copper Age, so when they establish the kingdom, then the deities of destruction will perform the task of destruction even there, won’t they ?
Baba: Will they establish at the time of establishment or will they destroy? The three destructive ones who existed in 1976; did they bring about the establishment or did they bring about the destruction?
Student: They had caused establishment for some time. Later on, after the establishment, do they themselves cause destruction as well?
Baba: A time will come in the end ... suppose, for example, those who belong to the Islam dynasty, they will certainly help Babar in his time. When the kingship of Mohammad Shah Rangeela begins, then what will they become? They will become destructive.
Student: It means that they become instruments in causing destruction there as well.
(Baba said ‘why not’ through gestures)
Student: They revealed the Father partially for some time now in the Confluence Age. Does it mean that they will not prepare the gathering in the end? Does it mean they will perform only the task of destruction? They will not do any other service.
Baba: When the first class remains, only the eight will survive and all other opponents will perish, all the opponents perish and those who were helpers in the beginning, the same helpers remain again. So, only the 12 will survive; who else will survive? Will those, who were in the beginning, survive or not? OK, they may be destructive, but they were Brothers of Ram. That is why those from Delhi are very fortunate. For those from Delhi it has been said that Delhi has sown the seed in the task of establishment in the beginning, at the right moment. So, they are entitled to receive cooperation (of the Father) till the end.
Student: Does it mean that they will prepare a little bit of gathering in the pure stage?
Baba: What kind of a gathering will they make? The gathering already exists, it will become ready, but they will clean the garbage. Mahakali’s task is to clean the garbage. And the task of Lakshmi is to give sustenance.
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Disc.CD No. 535, dated 15.3.08 at Bangalore-1
Part-VII


Time: 36.41
Student: Baba, why should we not do any other work while listening to Murli?

Baba: OK Don’t you have love for Baba’s versions (Vani). Don’t you have love for the Murli therefore the Murlidhar(the one who plays the Murli i.e. narrates the versions)?
Student: There is.
Baba: When there is love for the Murlidhar, then should one love only the Murlidhar, or should one love the biggest enemy, i.e.lust?
Student: We keep listening through the ears, don’t we?
Baba: The ears keep listening. The ears listen to whose Vani?
Student: Baba’s Vani.
Baba: And whom do the eyes see?
Student: Baba.
Baba: So, then?
Student: We can also see through the mind and intellect while working, can’t we?
Baba: We should see through the mind and intellect as well and we should also use speech for His remembrance from within . Why should we use it in any other task? If The Knowledge is adulterous (vyabhichaari)....If we are knitting a sweater, will the intellect divert towards knitting or not?
Baba: So, did the connection of the intellect become adulterous or pure? It became adulterous. If we listen to adulterous knowledge, then what will be its result? The result will be adulterous.
Student: Baba, what about when we cook?
Baba: That is a matter of remembrance.
Student: No, we play the CD there and keep cooking.
Baba: That cannot be possible at all. The first thing is that it is not a face to face Vani. In the face to face versions that are narrated, one should pay special attention that when we are listening to Baba’s Vani, we should not perform any other task.

Time: 38.04
Student: ....It was said in a VCD* that neither the world mother nor Vaishnavi remain as close to the Supreme Soul as the eight deities. But Baba it was also told that (the soul of) Vaishnavi marries Shambhu (another name for Shankar) in every birth.

Baba: It is alright. She marries in every birth; so does she marry for 84 births? Arey! does she marry him in the 84 births? No. As regards the eight deities, in whatever way they may be related (to the Father), with whom will they live? They will live with the Father.
Student: It means that even Vaishnavi will not remain together in every birth with only one?
Baba: That is about the relationship. That is about the relationship of a husband and a wife, which leaves a deeper impression, in which the colour of the company is applied more. It was said regarding that relationship. And that relationship does not exist in every birth.
Student: She will remain close (to the Father) in other relationships as well, won’t she ? That is if she does not become (related in the relationship of a husband or a wife ).
Baba: She will become a sanyasi (a virgin or a bachelor). Varau Shambhu na toh rahu kunwaari (I shall wed Shambhu. otherwise I will remain a virgin) If she remains a sanyasi throughout the life. For example is she a sanyasi or a householder now? She is a sanyasi. Then.
Student: It means that the eight deities live with the Father in relationship somewhere or the other.
Baba: In some relationship or the other.

Time: 39.21
Student: Baba we listen to the Murli with concentration in the morning. Later on, sometimes in between....

Baba: At least once in 24 hours we should listen to the Father’s Murli carefully.
Student: Yes, that is alright. That means we should listen to the morning class carefully. Sometimes we play (the cassette) a second time for timepass.
Baba: Let it play for 24 hours. You will develop the sanskars of listening with disinterest; if you continue to play it for 24 hours like this. Baba’s Vani is going on and we are performing Ravan’s tasks. So, what kind of a sanskar will we develop?
Student: Baba, it makes a difference at the time of remembrance, doesn’t it ? How should we remain in the journey of remembrance?
Baba: For that it has been said that we have to anyways do karmayog. What? Yes. Only the connection of the intellect (without karma) is not good; that is a path of renunciation. Ours is a karmayoga. Karma and Yoga, both are required.
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Disc.CD No. 535, dated 15.3.08 at Bangalore-1
Part-VIII


Time: 40.41
Student: Baba, Shankar was attracted by Parvati. When he lost his veerya (vigour), scorpions and spiders were born. It has been said like this in the Murli. And it has also been said that Shankar Parvati will not be called a couple. So, this story about his getting attracted to....

Baba: Has the story that ‘he got attracted’ been written in the scriptures by the devotees or has it been told by Baba?
Student: I mean to say that I have heard in a cassette related to the Vishnu Party; even in that it has been said that scorpions and spiders are born when Shankar performs an opposite task. So, which opposite act is performed (by Shankar)?
Baba: The opposite act that takes place is that ‘all of you are Parvatis’. What? Are all Parvatis numberwise or alike?
Student: They are numberwise.
Baba: So, is Shankar number one or numberwise? Shankar, who is next to God is only one. So, when he is one, how should his companion be? His companion should also be equally elevated, should she not? If the companion is equally elevated, if the companion is the one who makes elevated effort, then will scorpions and spiders be born or will deities be born? If the companion is Aditi, then those who are born will be aditi that is to say adwait (monoists). And if the companion is Diti then those who take birth will certainly be dualists (dwaitwaadi). Dwaitwaadi means demons. They are also required. If those demons do not take birth, then the new world will never appear to have been established.
Student: It means that those who were born from Diti are the deities of destruction (nashtdev), aren’t they?
Baba: The demons were born from Diti.
Student: It means that the deities of destruction were born.
Baba: Yes, yes.
Student: The deities of destruction must have existed in the beginning of the Yagya, mustn’t they? Does it mean that they obtained knowledge from Diti? They took birth, didn’t they?
Baba: Yes, daitya (demons) were born from Diti.
Student: It means that the eight deities took birth from Aditi.
Baba: They take birth from Aditi means that their perfection is dependant on that shakti, who is the seed of the Moon Dynasty.
Student: Sister Yogini (included among the eight deities).
Baba: Yes.

Time: 42.24
Student: Baba, now a soul(’s body) is ninety years old. He has understood the introduction of the Father properly. He is following the advanced knowledge. He is going to leave his body now. So, will he take up a subtle body?

Baba: If he has left the body due to untimely death, then he will take up a subtle body for some time.
Student: No, if the death is natural?
Baba: If the death is natural, then he will take up a body. He will follow the advanced knowledge once again.
Student: What if he leaves his body once again?
Baba: And what if he leaves his body once again? (And what) If he leaves the body once again after that?
Student: I mean to say - will he become vidharmi?
Baba: No, it is not like this. Some among you children take two or three births (during the Confluence Age). That is all. At the most he may take two births in the Confluence Age or if it is more than that it could be at the most three births. That is all.
Student: It means that if someone enters the path of advanced knowledge, it happens to be the second birth.
Baba: Yes, twice.
Student: If not twice then a third time .
Baba: They should be in the beginning as well as at the end.
Student: Baba, the karmic accounts have to be cleared through karmayoga or through karmic sufferings (diseases, etc.) or through the punishments of Dharmaraj. But the disease that comes is a karmic suffering. So, it has been said that they the punishments of Dharmaraj are reduced through the karmic sufferings. I mean to say, Baba also says that those who are becoming sick, sorrowful and disturbed are not following the Shrimat.
Baba: Yes, it has been told that “those who remain sick, sorrowful, diseased, disturbed”; what? Only those who do not follow Shrimat remain like that.
Student: I mean to say, what is the difference between both of them, Baba? The karmic accounts are also getting cleared through diseases. So....
Baba: (Suppose) someone remains sick throughout the life. He (always) appears to be sorrowful . So, what kind of vibration will he spread? He will spread vibration of sorrow . And what kind of vibration will those, who suffer punishments of Dharmaraj, spread? They will spread the vibration of sorrow that is to say, what was the benefit? He was sorrowful in the beginning as well as at the end. And he is continuously sorrowful.
Student: There must also be karmic account (for that), isn’t it? Baba.
Baba: No, the karmic account that was mentioned is that those who do not follow Shrimat will remain sick, sorrowful, diseased and disturbed. They themselves will remain disturbed and bring about disturbance to others as well.
Student: Does it mean that the karmic accounts with Dharmaraj are not getting cleared (through the suffering)?
Baba: Why (will they) not (suffer the punishments of Dharmaraj)? They too can get punishments. That is those who remain sick, sorrowful, diseased and disturbed. Because they themselves experience pain and also bring pain to others. So, they become entitled to the punishments of Dharmaraj.
Student: Does it mean that some (punishment) will be left?
Baba: Why not?
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Disc.CD No. 535, dated 15.3.08 at Bangalore-1
Part-IX


Time: 45.39
Student: Baba, this mataji is asking that if someone is 80-90 years old now and if he comes and obtains the advanced knowledge now, so, can he be an ancestor (soul)? ....can he be a soul of the beginning?

Baba: What is this? An ancestor means someone who was in the past birth. If they have entered the path of advanced (knowledge), then certainly they must have been in the past birth even if they had been for a little while.

Student: But he is 80-90 years old now. Then?
Baba: OK, the one who is 80-90 years old now; even if he would not have obtained The Knowledge in the past birth, but he must have certainly been with Prajapita. He must have certainly had those sanskars of being in his company.

Time: 48.00
Student: Baba, this mother is asking whether the punishment of Dharmaraj will be known only to the self or to everyone?

Baba: Everyone will come to know. Only then it will be known that this is his post. He will lose the honour in front of everyone.

Time: 48.49
Student: Baba, two seats were fixed in 1976, weren’t they ? After that, it was also said that three seats have been fixed, wasn’t it?

Baba: It was said.
Student: The third seat is of the junior mother.
Baba: The junior mother?
Student: Who are the first two?
Baba: Arey! Who were the two that existed in 1976?
Student: (The souls of) Lakshmi and Narayan.
Baba: Lakshmi-Narayan. So, was the junior mother not Lakshmi? You considered her the senior mother.
Student: Then, she is the junior mother. The Father Shiv does not enter the junior mother, does He?
Baba: It is correct that He does not (enter); so, what is the difference that it makes?Student: I mean to say how is that....? She belongs to the rosary of victory (vijaymala), doesn’t she ?
Baba: It means that God comes and performs His task. Does He perform only the task of speaking? Does God Shiv come and perform only the task of creating thoughts or does He perform only the task of speaking or does He also peform action in practical?
Student: (He also performs) practical actions.
Baba: So, who performs the practical actions through Vishnu? The junior mother, the senior mother or the Father?
Student: The junior mother.
Baba: If it is only the junior mother who performs the actions, then why did she not perform such actions in the (past) 63 births?
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Disc.CD No. 535, dated 15.3.08 at Bangalore-1
Part-X


Time: 50.04
Student: Baba, everyone is frightened on seeing Dharmaraj, aren’t they? It is because he is the one who gives punishments.

Baba: Why will those who are not thieves, those who are not dacoits, those who have not acted like a lewd and a loafer fear (Dharmaraj)?
Student: So, if someone experiences peace through the eyes of Dharmaraj, will they not suffer Dharmaraj’s punishment, Baba?
Baba: Should we take drishti from Dharmaraj?
Student: We should not take drishti, but by coming close to Dharmaraj, they experience peace. What does it mean?
Baba: They will certainly experience. Will the one who does not have to suffer punishments experience peace or will he experience disturbance? Except/ Other than eight everyone else will fear. Will those who are included in the list of eight fear anyone? Sach toh bitho nach (the one who is truthful will dance).

Time: 51.02
Student: Baba, it has been told that in the end all the billionaires and millionaires will come to the Brahmakumaris to wash the utensils, isn’t it?

Baba: Many of them will do it happily. They will wash utensils happily. They will clean the **** and urine or will they feel sorrowful?
Student: They will certainly experience sorrow, won’t they?
Baba: Will they experience sorrow? Will they have so much knowledge? They will have Bhakti in them, they will think that God came, we served God so much. Will they have Bhakti in them or will they have knowledge?
Student: There will be Bhakti in them
Baba: If Bhakti is there in them there will be happiness. Don’t the devotees receive/obtain mukti-jevanmukti? Don’t they? They too obtain/receive. There are God’s devotees as well as God’s subjects (praja); there are God’s inheritors also.
Student: But it has been said that the vicious ones cannot come inside, hasn’t it?Baba: Hm?
Student: It has been mentioned in the Murli that it is better to wash utensils than to become lustful. After that it has ben told that those indulge in vices (will have to) wash utensil ...
Baba: At that time, when The Knowledge that ‘God has come’ fits in their intellect, then will the vices vanish or will they remain? They will also be in a pure stage at that time.
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Disc.CD No. 535, dated 15.3.08 at Bangalore-1
Part-XI


Time: 56.17
Student: Baba, in the last period, Ram plays the role of Ravan and Krishna plays the role of Kansa. Ram and Krishna are good souls, but in the end, the roles of both Ravan and Kansa are different. So, how is it possible that the same part is played through the same body?

Baba: Do the souls separate or do they combine forever?
Student: The souls combine.
Baba: Do they combine forever?
Student: Not forever.
Baba: Then? The part of every soul is different at every moment. The part of one soul cannot match with the part of another soul. Take for example the appointed Chariot, the soul of the appointed Chariot i.e. the soul of Ram, and Shiv enters him (i.e. his body). So, will the parts of both the souls be same or different?
Student: It will be different.
Baba: Then? When even their parts are different forever, then, how can the parts of Ram and Krishna become alike?

Time: 57.18
Student: Baba is it correct to think about the actors, like the eight deities or the Trimurti or is it correct to become the controller of the self (swarajya adhikari) first?

Baba: This is The Knowledge of the creator and the creation. The creations are many and the creator is one. Many creations are also included in the creator. But the Father tells about the part of just five-seven (souls). He does not tell about everybody’s part. Who all are included among the five-seven? Seven are included. Among the eight deities the main deity is the Father. And the remaining seven are others. So, the eight are the highest on high. Even then when we have found the highest on high why should we think of others? Thinking of others means that we belong to other dynasties (and that) we have accepted that we are going to be converted into other religions. If we keep thinking about the seed of the moon dynasty among the eight deities, then what does it prove? (It proves) that it is difficult for us to reach the number one. It is difficult to set the highest on high target. But we can persuade the second one. We can take her help.
Student: The eight deities are Suryavanshis, aren’t they?
Baba: All (the eight) are Suryavanshis, but what happens at last (period)? What is the result? Do they convert to different religions or do they convert to only one religion?
Student: They convert to different religions.
Baba: Then? Someone falls into a deep pit and someone falls into a less deep pit. Someone falls to a still shallower pit. And someone falls into a pit shallower than that. Someone falls for a shorter period.
Student: Even so later on everyone unites, don’t they Baba?
Baba: Later on everyone will unite anyway. Will the nine lakhs not unite?
Student: First the eight deities will unite, won’t they?
Baba: Are there numbers among them or not?
Student: So, it is allright to become swarajya adhikaari (rulers of self) by keeping one Father in front of us.
Baba: You should always think of one Father and none else. Otherwise, how can He be called the highest on high God? It means that the list of Gods (Bhagwaans) includes the highest on high and also the lowest on low.
Student: No.
Baba: Then what is meant by the ‘highest on high’?
Student: God is only one.
Baba: Yes, He is one, but how big is the list of Gods in the world? There are numerous Gods; there are as many Gods as there are number of souls. So, there must be a highest on high as well. He is the one and the rest are the lowest on low.
Student: So, Baba, it means that The Knowledge which has so much elaboration is just for time-pass.
Baba: Achcha! Does it mean that it is not for explaining and understanding?
Student: It is for explaining and understanding.
Baba: Is this ‘time pass’ that is going on? Are we just killing time?
Student: No, it is not the case Baba. As our intellect....
Baba: Is all this elaboration of knowledge a waste?
Student: It is not a waste Baba.
Baba: The soul that is unable to go into the elaboration (vistaar) cannot become constant in its essence. The more a soul becomes constant in its essence, the more it will go into the elaboration. For example the banyan tree. The more its seed is essenceful, small and subtle, the more its tree is huge.
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Disc.CD-535, dated 15.3.08 at Bangalore-2
Part-XII


Student: Baba, if we do not ask questions at all, then the praise of the churning of the ocean wouldn’t have been there, would it?
Baba: Who is preventing you from taking out the tail of questions? Student: The Brother is saying that, isn’t he Baba?
Baba: When the one who cuts (the tail) is sitting, then take out the tail just like Hanuman.
Student (The Brother): No, Baba I did not ask for that reason. The ghosts will enter an empty mind and intellect.
Baba: When the mind and intellect is empty the ghosts (will) enter. It is the ghosts themselves who enter and make you ask questions. Those who are the true children of the Father, the true Suryavanshis do not have any questions at all. They say, whatever you say is true (sat vachan maharaj). However much they may try they do not get questions at all.
Student: Then it was said just now that the more subtle the seeds are, the more they achieve elaboration. Does it mean that the Suryavanshis do not achieve elaboration?
Baba: The true Suryavanshis already belong to the most subtle category. No ghost can enter them at all. The Father says, I come and tell everything on my own. The Father Himself tells everything when the time comes. Then is there any need for the children to ask? But some people are not convinced (tasalli). Their faithlessness flares up. So, they are compelled to ask.
Student: It is not a question of being convinced, Baba. Baba has already explained it. Baba explained a particular topic. Then at that time it must not have fitted into that soul’s intellect. That is why he is asking (questions) in order to understand.
Baba: So, was he stopped from asking at that time?
Student: No, if he asked (questions) to understand ...
Baba: Yes, in order to understand, you can go on asking questions upon questions at that time. You are not restricted. This is the only gathering where the Father is ready to answer the questions in front of the whole crowd. Moreover, he does not hesitate, he isn’t afraid either, thinking “let me study the scriptures and then I will give an accurate reply.” The reply is readily available. Yes, sometimes some questions are such that they are not to be replied at that time. There could be harm in giving a reply immediately as per drama. So, the reply will not be given at that time and will be given later on.
Student: Baba, it has also been said that the questions which are asked to Baba, if nice replies come for that, then it causes benefit to everyone, doesn’t it?Baba: It means that those who belong to their clan, those who belong to the clan of those who ask questions will get the benefit.
Student: Baba, now nobody will ask.
Baba: They will still ask.
Student: Is it good to ask or not to ask?
Baba: If a question i.e. garbage emerges within, if garbage has entered the stomach, then should that garbage be removed or is it good to keep it inside?
Student: It is good to take it out.
Baba: If it is kept within, and if it is not taken out, then it will keep spoiling the brain. What happens if the stomach is filled with garbage and if it does not come out? The intellect-like stomach that is above will also start getting spoiled. You should not do like this. whereas the Father does not say that you should not ask (questions). If some question emerges (in the intellect), then bring it out. If the tail (of questions) gets cut, then we will become a deity.
Student: We should ask. Then we should also progress step by step.
Baba: Yes.

Time: 7.19
Student: Baba, how long can a soul live without a body?

Baba: It is only in the Soul World that a soul lives without the body.
Student: No, for example, people leave their bodies in accidents, don’t they?
Baba: Yes, without the subtle body. Are you asking how long a soul can live without the subtle body as well as the physical body?
Student: No, with the subtle body. At the maximum how long can they live with the subtle body?
Baba: It can live with the subtle body for hundreds of years maximum. But not in the Confluence Age.......
Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Disc.CD-535, dated 15.3.08 at Bngalore-2
Part-XIII


Time: 8.15
Student: Baba, only those, who are transformed from impure ones to pure ones call the Father again and again, in Bhakti as well as in (the path of) knowledge.

Baba: Those, who are transformed from impure ones to pure ones, call Sita-Ram, the purifier of the sinful ones (patit-paavan), as well.
Student: In knowledge as well as in Bhakti. And it has also been said that those who have been far from the Father for many births call the Father again and again. Those who are close since many births remember nicely even if they see him once. What is the difference between both of them Baba?
Baba: When those who have been living close (to the Father) since many births, come and meet the Father for the first time in the Confluence Age . Will they remember the Father certainly if they see him once or won’t they? They may or may not see him for the second or third time, but they will remember him. And those who have kept his company to a very less extent, have been far from him in the past births, but they saw the Father in this birth, came close to him, so will their intellect run outside or will their intellect run towards the Father? Suppose someone was a prostitute in the past births and has become a Brahmani in this birth. So, in spite of becoming a Brahmani, will the intellect of that daughter Maya remain in the outside world, will it run towards the outside world or will it remain with the Father? It will spend more time with the people of the outside world. Even so she will come and become a prostitute again.
Student: But only those who have been distant since many births call the Father again and again; they want to see him; they want to be coloured by his company.
Baba: Do those, who have been distant since many births wish to see (the Father)?Student: They wish to be coloured by the company.
Baba: If they have been continuously far away, then did they call the Father? They could have called in the past births as well. They could have come close to him in the past births as well. Those who wish to call Him here again and again, so what does it prove? They have been close even in the past births. Here The Cycle of thoughts goes on. And there the physical cycle goes on. Those who are close through the thoughts here might have lived close to him there in the physical form as well.
Student: It has been said that those who are in the NS, i.e. the eight deities.
Baba: Arey! All kind of souls are in the NS. When the foundation of a house is laid, the stones are put below the foundation. Small ones, big ones, strong ones, weak ones, firm ones. So, when they are pounded with a hammer, when they are beaten, some stones slip here and some there. Some go deep inside (the ground). Some are so strong that they remain on the surface. They do not even break. So, all kinds of souls are in the foundation. It is not as if everyone is a king there. No. They include the subjects as well. They include the daas-daasis (servants) as well as the chaandaals (cremators). That is a foundation.
Student: I mean to ask whether those who are living in the NS don’t want to see the Father again and again or do not wish to be coloured by His company and always remain busy in service.
Baba: Yes that is correct. If it fits into anybody’s intellect that service alone causes benefit. What? The service leads to benefit and there is no benefit in climbing on the shoulders (of the Father). So, is it good or bad? It is good. Arey! Even in the world it is asked whether the parents like the work (kaam) or the skin (chaam)? Chaam means chamdi (skin). If a child is very beautiful, handsome and does not do any work, keeps sitting at home and keeps causing sorrows and troubles. Will he be liked (by the parents) more or will someone who is born ugly, but looks after the (Father’s) shop and takes care of it very nicely be liked more? It is a similar case here. The Father likes the serviceable children.
Student: Does it mean that the serviceable children do not wish to see the Father again and again? Don”t they wish to be coloured by His company?
Baba: The serviceable children become constant in the Avyakt stage very soon. When the Father remembers them, whether the child remembers the Father or not, he will always be in front of him. Will the one whose work they are doing not be in front of them? He will be. And if it is asked, do all those who are living at the mini-Madhubans, whether they are surrendered or non-surrendered, feel like seeing Baba again and again, listening to Baba’s Murli and to live close to him? What? (Do they think that) They should obtain Baba’s drishti. Do they wish or not? They do. But they are not affected by these things, they do not complain why does He not come and give us drishti. He gives drishti to everyone. Why does He not come and narrate direct Murli to us when he is narrating to everyone. Why does he not come and live close to us for many days and why does He go on touring the mini-Madhubans? So, will it be called an incomplete stage or a stage close to perfection?
Student: Baba has said that sins are not burnt by Baba’s drishti.
Baba: Is it better if someone is always remembered through the internal drishti (of the Father) or is it better if he keeps obtaining drishti through these eyes?
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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