shivsena wrote:Murli point 22-11-99; "Baba ke aane se hi Gyan shuru ho jaata hai" (meaning that Knowledge starts with the coming of Baba). Now which Baba is Shivbap talking about in Sakar Murlis? Bindi ShivBaba supposedly came in 1937 in sevakram, then in 1947 in Dada Lekhraj, and then in 1969 in Veerendra Dev Dixit; and still the true Gyan which will give sadgati in one second is not coming forth. So this statement of Shivbap is describing the event of the future when Ramshivbaba comes in 100% nirakari stage and starts giving true Gita Gyan which will give sadgati in one second to anyone who hears it.
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]and still the true Gyan which will give sadgati in one second is not coming forth.[/quote]
I cannot help but think that your perception of sadgati in one second is rather wishfull/fanciful thinking. In reality there is nothing that happens in one second. Why is this? Because as yogi souls we realise there is a thread of continuity that underlies all thoughts, words, and actions. At present our Yoga power is merged just like a flower in a seed in the ground is merged. Do we expect to grow flowers simply by uttering some magic words and seeing them sprout in one second? No.
Your line of thinking is akin to saying that; "If you are good children and believe in Ramshivbaba? then one day sometime in the future you will hear him speak some magic words and you'll live happily ever after." In the West, we call that believing in Father Christmas or the tooth fairy. It is just for little children.
The parents know that in reality for anything to happen it requires effort over a period of time.So this statement of Shivbap is describing the event of the future when Ramshivbaba comes in 100% nirakari stage and starts giving true Gita Gyan which will give sadgati in one second to anyone who hears it.
shivsena.
Are the above mahavakyas of Shivbap directed towards bindi ShivBaba (who every BK and PBK knows) or towards the 100% incorporeal stage of Ramshivbaba (which will be known only to 108 souls), when Ram becomes equal to Shivbap in the near future!!!!!!!!
On the one hand you say it is only the 108 souls who recognise Ramshivbaba? and recieve the true Gyan to become kinglike souls. Now you are saying that
anyone who hears the true Gita Gyan will recieve sadgati in one second. Perhaps you would care to explain how just
anyone will come in front of Ramshivbaba? to hear the true Gita Gyan directly. Just who is
anyone? Baba/Virendra Dev Dixit has said in Murlis that
'impure souls will not be able to enter the fort of the gathering'. If impure souls are not able to enter the gathering just how will they come in front of Ramshivbaba? to recieve sadgati in one second?
Murli point 22-11-99; "Baba ke aane se hi Gyan shuru ho jaata hai" (meaning that Knowledge starts with the coming of Baba). Now which Baba is Shivbap talking about in Sakar Murlis? Bindi ShivBaba supposedly came in 1937 in sevakram, then in 1947 in Dada Lekhraj, and then in 1969 in Veerendra Dev Dixit; and still the true Gyan which will give sadgati in one second is not coming forth.
(meaning that Knowledge starts with the coming of Baba)
At the beginning of the Yagya Baba was able to uplift souls by narrating the difference between Bhakti and Gyan. The seed was sown. Baba took no interest in the Bhakti cult that was prevalant at that time ie, the circus and sidescenes of trance and visions, and withdrew with his own group. Had not knowledge began at that time how would Baba have known to withdraw or not? So, knowledge is specific for the time. You cannot say that knowledge has not begun before the revelation of so called Ramshivbaba? Nor can you expect others to share your childish belief in Ramshivbaba? to wave a magic wand over
'anyone in the future in order to grant them sadgati'.