Question first ; what are the 10 given religions?
Jim wrote: There will be some souls, almost certainly disaffected BKs, who will recognise this knowledge - or to put it another way, will say - wow this stuff is really cool, where can I learn more? If those souls come across this knowledge due to something on this website - good. If anyone else finds it interesting then good. I do not wish to try and convince anyone that this knowledge is correct.
If I may add from the wings [ because this is not my stage ] what is useful and interesting about a forum like this, rather than *just* another website, is that one does not just see " The Knowledge [tm] " - or in the case of the BKWSU, " The PR " - but one sees and has a chance to interact with the representative's Dharna, their inculcation of virtues.
At the end of the day, " The Knowledge [tm] " is actually worth very little if it translates into hardheadedness, insensitivity, disrespect or bigotry. The same is true of *ANY* knowledge or philosophy. What proves the value and the source is the transformation of the individual and the manner in which they carry themselves and relate to others. The issue of Murli points having been used in the past like sticks to beat the heads of others, not so much on this Forum but the xBKChat Forum, is that it shows disrespect and insensitivity of others.
How many times did we read someone saying, " I am sorry, I don't think I understood your question, can you be more specific ... " ? None.
How many times did we have someone launch into some completely abstract Murli point or endless recital of Gyan?We lost count!
A question or criticism was taken to be stupidity or an insult to be responded to by even more Murli points. I will spell it out for those that have a tendency to do so ... basically by doing so you are doing two things ;
a) saying " you are ignorant and know nothing, I am wise and know everything. Listen to this ".
b) you are demonstrating the manner in which you are treating your own inner self. That is to say, you are externalising the internal dynamics that are going on within your mind.
The first is what BKs put down as a " Bhakti Sanskar ". It is punditry, evangelism, zealotry.
The second suggests to me that you are endless repeating and beating your own head to try and shut up the doubts and questions The Knowledge brings up, plugging holes in your faith. And when you get so good at it, you try to beat others over the head and shut them up - with Gyan - trying to plug the sound of their doubts and questions.
Neither works. Other individuals will just walk away thinking you are insensitive; and one day your inner/higher self will either fight back and win - or die on you. You will have some kind of crisis or challenge that you will not be able to overcome by your own will. You will break and open up and afterwards be a softer, more gentle and genuine human being.
Being a BK, PBK or ex-BK does not exclude you from the mechanics of being an internally successful human being - and funnily enough, I do not think that the BKs actually teach their students that. Or at least did not when I was around them. They wanted their stundets to be " microphones ". One way transmitters. To me, bullet point pundits on one hand or external rumbling steamrollers on the other. [ I'd much rather be shot quickly myself than steamrollered over for ages, you know the type of Gyani that I mean ].
Being mentally attacked makes other individuals close down and become defensive.Sometimes a simple method such as asking question, listening and being genuine concerned can teach so much more and earn respect. After the respect is naturally earned, then the other individuals will come back and ask you," so how did you become like this? What made you change ? "
I don't know PBKs but what I am hearing of the example Virendra Dev Dixit gives is that it is very much more in the soft, gentle, respectful manner.
Jim wrote:Unclarified sakars - not any more. The ones I have are from the 2000ish onwards and are so chopped around that they don't make much sense - even if you know (or think you know) the meaning behind the words. This was explained to me by a BK senior as being the result of Lekhraj Kirpalani not speaking good Hindi! I think the activities of the fine Brothers of the Madhuban editing suite is a more plausible reason.
Ha! Let me just highlight that!
It must become quite pathetic ... out come all the dates and predications, out comes all the non-politically correct stuff that might offend Shudras or liberal Westerners ... out comes all the stuff that might offended the Sanyasis ... out comes all the stuff that contradicts what the Dadis are up to ... What is left!?!
To me, when reading or hearing the old Sakar Murlis it used to be quite clear when Shiva was talking or when Brahma chipped in with his point of view. They were long and had quite a clear pattern. This chopping up of information so that it become incoherent, historical revision, is quite typical of dictatorial regimes too!