Posted: 10 May 2007
Hey, I can see a new group emerging here
the Shivensa Kumaris?
the Shivensa Kumaris?
Independent thought about the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University for those wishing to leave, and friends and family of followers
http://brahmakumaris.info/forum/
ex-l wrote: Do the Murlis say that the BKWSU, or you, have the right to withhold the Murlis?. I hope the effort I am making to discover and share these will encourage you to share your wealth.
shivsena wrote:I DO NOT MIND SENDING YOU THE XEROX COPIES OF ORIGINAL Murlis IN Hindi EVEN THOUGH, I DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH YOU WILL BE BENEFITTED; YOU AND JOHN CAN SEND ME YOUR POSTAL ADDRESS AND I WILL SEND SOME ORIGINAL Murli XEROX AND LET US SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN HELP YOURSELF; PLEASE SEND ME YOUR POSTAL ADDRESS AND I WILL SEND THE Murlis TO YOU BY REGISTERED POST.
arjun wrote:Note: 1. As per the research of bro. ex-l, the year 1936 as mentioned above is subject to debate.
ex-l wrote:I should probably withdraw from the PBK forum.
ex-l wrote:
Why does it matter? Why should one just not relax back into the myth and enjoy the present?
Because at the core of these issues are the questions of the true nature of God and the true nature of those that pose themselves to be the representatives and authority of God. Is that not worth investigating? Where we discover anomalies, we have an immediate responsibility to withdraw erroneous or questionable data until we are sure of our position.
That is very well said; if we are seekers of the absolute truth, then it is our moral duty to point out the discrepancies and anomalies in the events, that have been happening in the Yagya in both basic and Advanced Knowledge ; and one has to be fearless about presenting one's views and face criticism with a pinch of salt.
shivsena
arjun wrote:Ques: It has been said in the Murlis that the Father enters in the vanprasth stage. Then how did Father Shiv enter into the body of the soul of Ram in 1969 at the age of 27?
Ans: Father Shiv had entered into the soul of Ram in 1936 in the vanprasth stage. In 1969 it was a subtle matter of a stage beyond Vani (sounds) and not a gross matter of completing an age of 60 years.
arjun wrote:Ques: It has been said in the Murlis that, "Father comes and starts narrating The Knowledge immediately". So, when the Father entered into the body of the soul of Ram in 1969, then why did not he start narrating knowledge immediately instead of 1976?
Ans: Father entered into the body of the soul of Ram in 1969 but was revealed to others only in 1976 and hence He started giving knowledge only from 1976.
shivsena wrote:First of all, we do not have the birth date of Sevakram and so we do not know that his age would be 60 when Shivbap first entered him in 1936-37. Also, according to Advanced Knowledge, Shivbap first entered into Gita Mataa and so the question arises was Gita mataa 60 years when Shivbap first entered her?
Shivsena Bhai wrote:There are many loose ends in the above answer from Baba.
Shivsena Bhai on 9.5.07 wrote:Now let me come to the point: why do you have to do the hard work of reading the Murlis repeatedly several times to search for the gems of knowledge, when I have a long list of the gems (along with the dates of Murlis and queries attached), which I am going to post on this forum in the next few months. You just eat the gems and start churning right away, instead of wasting precious time in reading the Murlis and searching for the gems.
Shivsena Bhai on 13.05.07 wrote:Also it is not at all clear, as to what Shivbap did from 1969 to 1976 in Veerendra Dev Dixit, and why was the Advanced Knowledge first revealed only in 1976 (after 7 years) to a small gathering of souls in Delhi (when it has been said in Murlis that "Bap toh aate hi Gyan sunana shuru kar dete hai" -- meaning that "Father comes and starts narrating The Knowledge immediately").
arjun wrote:Churning of Murlis for gems of knowledge is indeed a good work but it would be appreciated if the gems are presented in original form along with their dates of production (i.e.narration/revision).