Discussion CD No.237 dated 12.01.07 at Jainagar, Bangalore
Kisi nay poocha: Ashta Dev may chah baaki hai, voh surrender varg may aatey hain kya ya?
Baba nay kaha: Surrender buddhi nahee hongey toh 16000 kee list may hee kaisey aa jaayengey? Ye toh 8 hain. Jo surrender ho jaayengey voh hee 16000 may aayengey; voh hee Raja Rani banengey. Surrender nahee hongey, Ashta Dev toh ban-ney ka sawaal hee nahee. Nashtomoha smritilabdha kee unki pehli shifth hai, unka pehla gun hoga. Jabsey gyaan may aaye hongey tabsey lekar kay ab tak duniya say moh nasht, duniya kay padaarthon say moh nasht, jaisey Baba chalaayega, jo khilaayega, jo pahnaayega, so hee pahnengey. Ye nahee chaahiye, hamey ye hee chaahiye, ham ghar say ye mangaayengey, ham ghar say vo mangaayengey. Ham iskay bagair nahee chal saktey. Ham uskay bagair nahee chal saktey ham chod kay chaley jaayengey. Ya ghar-ghar kee beemari vaaley bhi nahee hongey.
Prashna: Iska matlab voh surrender varg may hongey?
Baba nay kaha: Nashtomoha ka matlab kya hai? Jis duniya ko chodkar aaye us duniya say moh nasht ho gaya. Baba say pyaar, Baba kay parivaar say pyaar.
Someone said – Six are remaining among the eight deities; do they come from the surrendered category?
Baba replied: If they do not possess the intellect of a surrendered soul, then how can they come in the 'list of 16000' itself? These are just 8. Those who surrender, they would only get included in the list of 16000 and they would only become Kings and Queens. There is no question of those who do not surrender becoming the eight deities. Their first qualification, their first virtue is nashtomoha smritilabdha (being detached from the world and being in the remembrance of the Father). Ever since they would have entered the path of knowledge, they would be detached from the world, the things of the world. They would act, eat and dress in the way Baba wants them to. It would not be the case that 'I do not want this, I want this only, I would ask this thing to be sent from our house, I would get that thing to be sent from our house. I cannot live without this (person or thing). I cannot live without that. I would leave and go away.' Or they would also not have the sickness of 'home, home'.
Someone said – Does it mean they would belong to the surrendered category?
Baba replied – What is the meaning of nashtomoha? One becomes detached from the world that one has left and come. Love for Baba and love for Baba’s family.
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Note:- The Hindi and English versions of the extracts of above mentioned Discussion CD are just draft versions.