Posted: 24 Dec 2007
Can anyone remind which souls are in the body of Virendra Dev Dixit during those few hours of the BapDada meetings in Madhuban held a few times a year ?
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suryavanshi wrote:Unity is possible only if there is purity. The first sangathan (group) of 12 souls (forget the remaining 96 because what is applicable to first 12, it is number waar for 96) will be united because of purity since there can be no unity possible without purity. So, for unity purity is a pre-requisite. So, if ShivBaba will come in future then how did these first 12 souls achieve that purity to be united because only ShivBaba can teach what is purity and how to become pure.
andrey wrote:Dear Brother I have observed in you the way Maya operates as described in the Murli. There it is said that first she tries to separate us from the Father.
First look within the Advance Party and ask yourself : is there any purity in the PBK family (not mere abstinence of sex); is there any tolerance towards others; is there no-back-biting and par-chintan going on in the PBKs; are the PBKs remaining sheerkhand with each other or are they becoming loonpani with each other ; are the Sisters in charge of various mini Madhuban not behaving like the Sisters of BK centers!!!!; there are many more criteria to be fulfilled before we can say that there is purity in PBK family; and the biggest proof that purity does not exist is there is no internal unity; it is said that ''majboori se mile hain dil se koi bhi nahin mila"( PBKs feign unity and they are far from being united).
1) Birth of human soul is through the womb of the mother, whether it is soul of Ram or it is soul of Krishna ... they are born through womb of the mother in their last births. So, when we say 84 births, then soul of Krishna should have taken 84 births as described above. The soul of Krishna had his own body only till 1969 which was his last birth.
So, soul of Krishna in the body of Veerendra Dev Dixit is not the owner of that body. It is not his body. He has not taken birth through the womb of the mother through that body. So, that cannot be considered as birth. It is the soul of Ram who has taken birth in that body in 1942. The soul of Krishna does not have it's own body like soul of Ram and we have.The soul of Krishna has just entered that body owned by soul of Ram. And entering someone's body is not called birth.
2) Chalo kuch samay ke liye yeh maan liyaa jaaye ki ShivBaba abhi nahi hain, future mein honge tab honge ... Lekin abhi aapko Shrimat dene waalaa kaun hain ...? Aap kiski mat par chaltein hon jab aap ke liye abhi baap hain hi nahi practical mein?
andrey wrote:I think Maya is both inside and outside. Maypati bhagavan is the one who conquers it. (The soul of Ram who achives the title of Bhagawan
suryavanshi wrote: Chalo kuch samay ke liye yeh maan liyaa jaaye ki ShivBaba abhi nahi hain, future mein honge tab honge ... Lekin abhi aapko Shrimat dene waalaa kaun hain ...? Aap kiski mat par chaltein hon jab aap ke liye abhi baap hain hi nahi practical mein?
As I have previously mentioned that the whole 60 to 70 years is given to BKs and PBKs to study The Knowledge given in Murlis to find out who is Alaf (one who attains the 100% nirakari stage). There cannot be any Shrimat during the shooting period as Shrimat is given only by Shri Shri ShivBaba in Confluence Age and no one else. Bindi Shiv cannot be called Shri Shri ShivBaba. Shri Shri ShivBaba is the title given to Ram's soul only and only He can give Shrimat and when he gives Shrimat then there is chadti kala and sadgati for all those who hear from his mouth.
Birth of human soul is through the womb of the mother, whether it is soul of Ram or it is soul of Krishna ... they are born through womb of the mother in their last births. So, when we say 84 births, then soul of Krishna should have taken 84 births as described above. The soul of Krishna had his own body only till 1969 which was his last birth.
So, soul of Krishna in the body of Veerendra Dev Dixit is not the owner of that body. It is not his body. He has not taken birth through the womb of the mother through that body. So, that cannot be considered as birth. It is the soul of Ram who has taken birth in that body in 1942. The soul of Krishna does not have it's own body like soul of Ram and we have.The soul of Krishna has just entered that body owned by soul of Ram. And entering someone's body is not called birth.
1) Birth of human soul is through the womb of the mother, whether it is soul of Ram or it is soul of Krishna ... they are born through womb of the mother in their last births. So, when we say 84 births, then soul of Krishna should have taken 84 births as described above. The soul of Krishna had his own body only till 1969 which was his last birth.
So, soul of Krishna in the body of Veerendra Dev Dixit is not the owner of that body. It is not his body. He has not taken birth through the womb of the mother through that body. So, that cannot be considered as birth. It is the soul of Ram who has taken birth in that body in 1942. The soul of Krishna does not have it's own body like soul of Ram and we have.The soul of Krishna has just entered that body owned by soul of Ram. And entering someone's body is not called birth.
suryavanshi wrote: Do you mean to say there is no Shrimat in the Murlis ? If so, then without Shrimat , how can soul of Ram and the other beads of rudramala(who are numberwise after soul of Ram) acheive the nirakari stage or become pure to be united? Your answer is awaited
When I see Ram and Shiv as a single entity, then this body of Veerendra Dev Dixit belongs to Krishna (as Ram becomes 100% a-shariri). So for me this body of Veerendra Dev Dixit then becomes the 84th birth of Krishna and so Krishna at the end of 84th birth becomes Prajapita Brahma and Bharat (no. 1 patit brashtachari soul of the behad ka drama) in whom Ramshivbaba then re-incarnates and makes him into no. 1 pure soul.
On the other hand, if only bindi Shiv is remembered as ShivBaba in the body of Veerendra Dev Dixit, then PBKs view Ram as sharir-dhari and they then consider Ram as Prajapita and Bharat (which has never been said in the Murlis directly) and the present false status of Advanced Knowledge (jhooti Krishna ki Gita) continues to cause the downfall of PBKs. This is what I do not agree to (as per the Murlis) and this is what I want to oppose and highlight to PBKs sleeping in the night of Brahma.
If there was Shrimat in Murlis then it is said that ''Shrimat se sadgati'' and there is not a single soul in BKs and PBKs who has got sadgati. Murlis contain only knowledge in code form to know the parts of Ram(rachieta) and Krishna(rachna)
If soul of Ram is bhagwan then who is Prajapita and Bharat??
shivsena wrote: only 108 souls will become like Father.
It all depends on what one wants to see; I would rather see Ram as nirakari stage ShivBaba, than see bindi ShivBaba as Ram;
I just cannot remember or relate to bindi ShivBaba but I can very well relate to Ramshivbaba (as it gives me the encouragement and inspiration to attain the nirakari stage like him;
shivsena wrote:I just want to make the PBKs aware that the Advanced Knowledge is not the last word in Godly knowledge and there maybe more than what is taken for granted by PBKs.
then in the end they may call me selfish for not sharing the gems of knowledge.
(as Ram becomes 100% a-shariri).
Ram never completes his 84th birth as he gives this body to Krishna
If there was Shrimat in Murlis then it is said that ''Shrimat se sadgati'' and there is not a single soul in BKs and PBKs who has got sadgati.
I am not talking about the unity among all the PBK Sisters and Brothers. I am just talking about the 12 first souls out of 108. There will be unity in them(12 souls) because of purity in them. Their basis of getting united is that they will be pure numberwise. So, before getting united they will have developed that purity in them because without developing that purity they cannot be united. So, first purity and then unity.
Since purity is first, that means they have learned the lesson of purity from someone before developing that stage. Because they developed that stage of purity, they were able to be united. So, who has taught them that lesson of purity or whom have they followed to become pure numberwise? Can one say that beads of mala will be revealed first and then they will become pure ? How can the mala (means sangathan) form without purity?