BapDada
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Posted:
27 Sep 2006
by surya
Johnbhai you can find the same topic on:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adidev-shivbaba
click search "BapDada".
I will write again about this topic when I have more time.
Re: BapDada
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Posted:
27 Sep 2006
by john
surya2037 wrote:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adidev-ShivBaba
click search "BapDada".
Thank you surya2037, but that is not XBK-chat and posts are only viewable to members
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Posted:
28 Sep 2006
by john
Wow!
but I have ample proofs from the Murlis and Vanis to prove that the present body of Veerendra Dev Dixit is the instrument of Krishna's soul while the part of bap-teacher-satguru is yet to start in the near future in the P. Sangamyug through' the same body.
Can you present any here (proofs), with possibly Murli dates, so everyone can check?
there was a division in the Advance Party and one Brother Dashrath Patel from ahmedabad formed a Vishnu-party and conspired with many former PBKs to put Baba in jail
We have touched on this topic of Vishnu Party slightly, but if any PBK knows about this, then they have not come forward with it so far. Can you expain more about this please?
but most of the time I think that it is Krishna's soul who is interfering and answering to make the students confused (it is his part in the drama--and Baba has also acknowledged this on many occasions)
Can you let us know where Baba has acknowledged this?
When you say Baba in this instance, who are you referring to?
and then she replied---"go back if you can--but every PBK has to fight his own battle to make it to the rosary of 108'' --she said in Hindi--''pahele padayee--phir ladayee--phir rajayee''---(meaning first the study of Murlis--then the battle to establish the truth ie to reveal the Father--and then the kingship)--and this (subtle)war of words (Gyan) is going to begin within the Advance Party (seed souls) first and then will spread to the BKs and then to the outside world--(to form 9 groups just as there are nine main religions in the Kalpa tree)
This is the PBK called 'Mummy' right? Well, if that's her response to you, then I presume that is the advice she is know taking for herself?
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Posted:
30 Sep 2006
by button slammer
Quick reply. have read your posts Shivsena and thank you for your integrity, as to the validity of your questions. The main thing I can briefly comment on is that, as it seems you are aware anyway of some contradictions in the clarifications you have nothing to worry about. 'To know the differance, makes the differance'. The main thing now concerning PBKs is patience. You have a remarkable overview of the PBK world. This is to your advantage. There is really no point in getting too 'jumpy' about any inconsistancies you percieve in the Murlis.
The main thing is that you can percieve them,. My thoughts at this time are 'watch and observe'. I am catching from your posts the desire for 'absolute truth'. My bet is that the 'truth' is where my heart is. This implies that at this moment faith is definately required. It is the holy swans who can discriminate. If Krisna as you think is speaking in the clarifications then what of it, it is a classroom after all is it not? Every soul has the right to have their say, no less the soul of Dada Lekraj/Krisna. It may be distracting, and perhaps a little confusing but at the end of the day we will have the truth drop by drop. Much better to have the truth this way before the flood gates open, or when the war breaks out.
Hope to enjoy more discussion .
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30 Sep 2006
by john
Shivsena wrote:but I have ample proofs from the Murlis and Vanis to prove that the present body of Veerendra Dev Dixit is the instrument of Krishna's soul while the part of bap-teacher-satguru is yet to start in the near future in the P. Sangamyug through' the same body.
In this are you saying that Shiva is not yet playing a part through Virendra Dev Dixit and it is just the soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani/Krishna entering?
HI!
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Posted:
30 Sep 2006
by surya
only arjun Bhai and sometimes peeu Bhai and saurabh Bhai replied to my emails. You never shared your views and comments with others.
Hi divine Brother Shivsena,
I can see you dedication and love for the study.
As regard the Yahoo Group, I don't share much because almost all you posts over there are direct discussions/questions aiming to the Brothers you mentioned above, so I feel that I should not interfere, but now I may change my mind and share more thoughts.
Also I have no much time to participate as I live in two countries at same time.
But I will...
kind regards,
surya
Q&A
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30 Sep 2006
by surya
I have got a whole book of question and answers by Baba
Dear Brother Shivsena,
Can you share with us your "whole book" of questions and answers here at this forum ( in "Q&A with Baba")? This would save Babas time - as we all send questions to Baba and your selections must be a good one to look at.
omshanti.
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30 Sep 2006
by arjun
Shivsena wrote:Yes, that is exactly what I am trying to say, that Supreme Soul Shiva cannot play the part of Bap-teacher-satguru during the shooting period, i.e. from 1989 to 2009 as the Advanced Knowledge which started in real earnest in 1989 corresponds to the beginning of the shooting of copper and iron ages in the subtle drama, and the BK and the PBK world both are on the declining path in a subtle manner ever since.....So I am 100% sure about the fact that Supreme Soul Shiva is not playing His part at present. Only when Ram reaches the 100% incorporeal stage and merges with Shivbap and Brahma(Krishna) stops going to mt abu. Then and only then the role of ShivBaba(Shiv+Ram) will start as bap-teacher-satguru.
Dear Brother,
Omshanti. Based on your above statement, which you seem to have made for the first time in clear terms:
1. I wish to know as to your beliefs about the role of Incorporeal Supreme Father Shiv through Sevakram (Brahma Baba's partner) from 1936/37 to 1942, through the two mothers from 1942-1947/48, through Dada Lekhraj (Brahma Baba) from 1947/48 to 18.1.69 and through the soul of Ram (Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) from 1969 to 1989. Whether Father Shiv entered into them during those periods respectively. If not, who narrated the Murlis/knowledge that was received through those media during those periods?
2. If you believe that Father Shiv is not narrating The Knowledge through the body of the soul of Ram (Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) then who is running the entire show in the Advance Party? Is it the soul of Ram (Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) or the soul of Krishna (Dada Lekhraj)?
3. When you meet the body of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit, whom do you think to be meeting - is it the soul of Shiv or Ram or Krishna? When you discuss The Knowledge/querries with Baba, whom do you attribute the answers to from among the above three souls?
4. If you feel that Father Shiv has not entered into Baba Virendra Dev Dixit so far, then how do you remember Father Shiv? Is it as an incorporeal point of light in Paramdham or through any other human body?
5. You have so far not given your own views as to who is Bap+Dada in this thread. I assume it is the soul of Ram + the soul of Krishna respectively as per your beliefs?
With regards,
OGS,
Arjun
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Posted:
01 Oct 2006
by arjun
Omshanti. For the benefit of everyone, I am quoting below some extracts from a Discussion CD on the topic of the role of Dada Lekhraj Brahma's soul through the body of Dadi Gulzar.
With regards,
OGS,
Arjun
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Disc. CD-65-Part-II-English
25.02.05, Saturday, Gorakhpur, Dated 18.01.06, Discussion.
.....(Someone asked – It is said that Brahma loses faith repeatedly, isn’t it? He loses faith in what?) It has been said that Brahma comes in The Cycle of faith and faithlessness more than everyone else. He comes in The Cycle of birth and death more than anyone else. (Someone asked – Then how can he narrate such a good Vani of dharana, i.e. versions related to inculcation of virtues at Mt. Abu, if he loses faith?) How can he narrate the Vani of dharana? Even sanyasis (monks) are very expert in narrating the Vani of dharana, in narrating Vani. And their inculcation is also very good. Dharana, i.e. inculcation is not a big thing.
(Someone asked – In the Avyakt Vani the introduction to Father has also been given, isn’t it?) The introduction to Father, which has been given in the Avyakt Vanis, has been given sitting in whose remembrance? Who enables him to narrate that Vani? How did the lyricists of the films, songwriters of the cinema get such good ideas that all their songs are becoming applicable in the Confluence Age? Who gives this idea? (Someone said – ShivBaba) It is ShivBaba, isn’t it?
So similarly whatever is being spoken through the mouth of Brahma, that soul of Brahma sits in a deep remembrance when it enters into Gulzar Dadi. Baba says – you are with me only upto that time when you are in remembrance. The more you remember me, the more I am with you. So when Baba is with us, then He will not allow us to speak any version against the Murli.
So it is certain about the Vani of Brahma that there is not even a single version of Vani, which crosses (i.e. goes against) the versions of Murli. Otherwise the versions spoken by any two persons will definitely cross each other somewhere or the other. But the Avyakt Vani, which is being narrated through the mouth of Brahma, in those Avyakt Vanis, there is not even a single sentence which opposes or crosses the versions of Murlis.
What does it prove? It proves that the soul of Brahma enters into Gulzar Dadi, but who enables it to speak? ShivBaba. That is why it should not strike the intellect that - Brahma has narrated such a Vani of dharana, Brahma has tolerated so much. Arey, it was not Brahma who tolerated so much. Had he possessed that much power of tolerance, i.e. 100 percent, then why did he not show that power of tolerance in the 63 births? He could have become a storehouse of power of tolerance and the world could have been transformed, isn’t it?
That is why Baba says – Some are the followers of Brahma, and some are the followers of Baba. It means that some are the followers of Baba and some are the followers of Mama. They keep praising their virtues only. ShivBaba does not come to their intellect at all. Now some such souls have emerged who keep praising the virtues of Didi, Dadi, and Dadas only. It does not strike their intellect as to who is ShivBaba? They completely forget that living power named Shiv. ...
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Note: This is only a draft of the extracts of above-mentioned Disc.CD for favour of nformation. Only when the translation of the entire Murli contained in this Disc.CD is released, that may be considered as the final version. The words in italics are Hindi words.