surya2037 wrote:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adidev-ShivBaba
click search "BapDada".
Thank you surya2037, but that is not XBK-chat and posts are only viewable to members
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button slammer wrote:Thanks for your reply shivsena, I'll take your questions in good faith, (quick reply). BTW I am not upset but just want to know your intentions.
but I have ample proofs from the Murlis and Vanis to prove that the present body of Veerendra Dev Dixit is the instrument of Krishna's soul while the part of bap-teacher-satguru is yet to start in the near future in the P. Sangamyug through' the same body.
there was a division in the Advance Party and one Brother Dashrath Patel from ahmedabad formed a Vishnu-party and conspired with many former PBKs to put Baba in jail
but most of the time I think that it is Krishna's soul who is interfering and answering to make the students confused (it is his part in the drama--and Baba has also acknowledged this on many occasions)
and then she replied---"go back if you can--but every PBK has to fight his own battle to make it to the rosary of 108'' --she said in Hindi--''pahele padayee--phir ladayee--phir rajayee''---(meaning first the study of Murlis--then the battle to establish the truth ie to reveal the Father--and then the kingship)--and this (subtle)war of words (Gyan) is going to begin within the Advance Party (seed souls) first and then will spread to the BKs and then to the outside world--(to form 9 groups just as there are nine main religions in the Kalpa tree)
John wrote:Wow!
Can you present any here (proofs), with possibly Murli dates, so everyone can check?
We have touched on this topic of Vishnu Party slightly, but if any PBK knows about this, then they have not come forward with it so far. Can you expain more about this please?
Can you let us know where Baba has acknowledged this?
When you say Baba in this instance, who are you referring to?
This is the PBK called 'Mummy' right? Well, if that's her response to you, then I presume that is the advice she is know taking for herself?
surya2037 wrote:Johnbhai you can find the same topic on: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adidev-ShivBaba. click search "BapDada".I will write again about this topic when I have more time.
Shivsena wrote:but I have ample proofs from the Murlis and Vanis to prove that the present body of Veerendra Dev Dixit is the instrument of Krishna's soul while the part of bap-teacher-satguru is yet to start in the near future in the P. Sangamyug through' the same body.
John wrote:In this are you saying that Shiva is not yet playing a part through Veerendra Dev Dixit and it is just the soul of Dada Lekhraj/Krishna entering?
button slammer wrote: There is really no point in getting too 'jumpy' about any inconsistancies you percieve in the Murlis. My bet is that the 'truth' is where my heart is. This implies that at this moment faith is definately required. It is the holy swans who can discriminate.
only arjun Bhai and sometimes peeu Bhai and saurabh Bhai replied to my emails. You never shared your views and comments with others.
I have got a whole book of question and answers by Baba
Shivsena wrote:Yes, that is exactly what I am trying to say, that Supreme Soul Shiva cannot play the part of Bap-teacher-satguru during the shooting period, i.e. from 1989 to 2009 as the Advanced Knowledge which started in real earnest in 1989 corresponds to the beginning of the shooting of copper and iron ages in the subtle drama, and the BK and the PBK world both are on the declining path in a subtle manner ever since.....So I am 100% sure about the fact that Supreme Soul Shiva is not playing His part at present. Only when Ram reaches the 100% incorporeal stage and merges with Shivbap and Brahma(Krishna) stops going to mt abu. Then and only then the role of ShivBaba(Shiv+Ram) will start as bap-teacher-satguru.
arjun wrote:Dear Brother,
Omshanti. Based on your above statement, which you seem to have made for the first time in clear terms:
1. I wish to know as to your beliefs about the role of Incorporeal Supreme Father Shiv through Sevakram (Brahma Baba's partner) from 1936/37 to 1942, through the two mothers from 1942-1947/48, through Dada Lekhraj (Brahma Baba) from 1947/48 to 18.1.69 and through the soul of Ram (Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit) from 1969 to 1989. Whether Father Shiv entered into them during those periods respectively. If not, who narrated the Murlis/knowledge that was received through those media during those periods?
2. If you believe that Father Shiv is not narrating The Knowledge through the body of the soul of Ram (Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit) then who is running the entire show in the Advance Party? Is it the soul of Ram (Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit) or the soul of Krishna (Dada Lekhraj) ?
3. When you meet the body of Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit, whom do you think to be meeting - is it the soul of Shiv or Ram or Krishna? When you discuss The Knowledge/querries with Baba, whom do you attribute the answers to from among the above three souls?
4. If you feel that Father Shiv has not entered into Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit so far, then how do you remember Father Shiv? Is it as an incorporeal point of light in Paramdham or through any other human body?
5. You have so far not given your own views as to who is Bap+Dada in this thread. I assume it is the soul of Ram + the soul of Krishna respectively as per your beliefs?