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How quick we are to excuse Gyan/Baba when it is all wrong or does not add up. "He must be testing us ... we must be wrong"
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ex-l wrote:Baba via Veerendra Dev Dixit, when asked, "why Bharat was the most degraded of all?" said it was because of India's debt. Now, putting aside that "debt" is a complex subject measured in many different ways, if we look at countries with the highest National Debt, we have;
ex-l wrote:How quick we are to excuse Gyan/Baba when it is all wrong or does not add up. "He must be testing us ... we must be wrong"
I think we went down that road last year and you did not like it then, so I shall refrain.
andrey wrote:I don't remember any such case.
If you have complaints then I could have grown for an year and be able to discuss maturely.
john wrote:Could it simply be that Veerendra Dev Dixit got it wrong?
How to get out of being wrong - tada! ... "It is all symbolic, Baba did not mean in a literal sense", the truth is being stretched further than Mr Fantastic of the Fantastic Four.
andrey wrote:To me it seems you just cover your lack of examples of case where a point form the Murli is changed in the Advanced Knowledge.
Where is the need to challenge my belief? Take the Murli and the Advanced Knowledge and challenge that. This is my belief.
ex-l wrote:In essence, the Advanced Knowledge does illuminate Gyan my drawing out of it a metaphorical meaning ... and I think there is some mileage in that.
John wrote:I agree, the problem is when it becomes really slippery and one time it is metaphorical, the next time actual, which can then be used to cover any mistakes spoken by the alleged Chariot. By having a knowledge that is highly metaphorical, almost any interpretation can be drawn out of it and 'Voila', is that not what all the different chariots are doing?
ex-l wrote:In essence, the Advanced Knowledge does illuminate Gyan my drawing out of it a metaphorical meaning ... and I think there is some mileage in that. But what you are recognising I think is that is also becomes a slave to "HAVING TO METAPHORIZE ALL AND EVERYTHING" for all time.
arjun wrote:Baba gave another suggestion of preparing Puris (with a special procedure) which could be eaten with bananas. Another Brother, in order to prolong the discussion said, these things are not good for Diabetics. Baba gave another suggestion which was not again acceptable.
ex-l wrote:I remember going through that experience and seeing it in others. To some degree it was encouraged. It also has a name in classical psychology ... I will try and remember what it is.
ex-l wrote:Ah, you see. Puri symbolizes nourishment which comes from the Father. Bananas symbolize the madness of the children. (in English we say someone is "absolutely babanas" when they are being stupid). So wrapping the banana in the puris symbolizes enveloping the consciousness of the student with rememberance of the teacher. A "diabetic" is someone that cannot take the sweetness of Supreme Teacher and so is one with Maya ... these are the ones that are always challenging even Baba as related above.