RaviRaj wrote:Our heart is missing here, just trying to understand Baba's Gyan with logics. True enthusiasm about Baba and his knowledge comes with heart ... But so far, despite these efforts, I personally see that the outcome is 0. But still I hope our BK Brothers and Sisters will soon understand ‘who is our Father-in-practical?’
RaviRaj,
firstly, I agree wholeheartedly. The most successful, inspiring PBK posts have been when someone has simply shared their heart or experiences. The head stuff does not work so well ... actually, I must qualify that so it is not misunderstood. We used to have a thread called "Why I left Gyan" or "Why I left the BKWSU". I think it would be good for you to do so in the PBK world and, for example, share your experiences Atma in the same manner. That way, when someone that was in your position reads it, they will say, "I feel like that too!" and be encouraged to question and move on. Please start it and please go out and record other PBKs experiences and report them back here. There must be many PBKs that do not have a computer or internet access.
And please remember that this discussion is not just passing in the wind. It will remain on the internet for the world to see and will become a resource for anyone to judge and learn about PBK. Indeed, it is unique in that it is pretty much the only place where BKs, PBKs and other Brahmin souls can meet and interact and the PBKs are seen in a dynamic light. Others will be made to question and led to judge. for many BKs, it will be the first time they hear or read of PBKs as the centres and Senior Sisters suppress PBK-ism. So you never know what seeds are being planted in whose minds. Additionally, if we critical Brahmins thought there was no value in PBK, we would just ignore or exclude you. I too voted, with bansy and others, for the PBKs to be included in this forum because I believed there was some value in their position and experience. However ...
It is also a useful environment for dharna. To prove and experiment with attitudes and approaches. A gymnasium, if you will. You see both amongst BK, PBK and ex-BK successful and unsuccessful dharna. I think it could be useful for those PBKs that are not living near others and, perhaps, the PBK ought to have their own forum for PBKs only where they can discuss amongst each other without "outside" examination. It is good to interact but it is also good to retreat and be amongst friends.
A number of thoughts come about what would be appealling to me, or to put it in other words, what I would find convincing of someone else's "truth".
a) "Respect your enemy". Knowing the other Brahmin souls that support this forum, I cannot think of one that is not ready or capable for the deepest of Advanced Knowledge [ BTW, whereas "Advance Party" has a meaning, "Advanced Knowledge" does not sound so good in English, Advanced Knowledge does ]. PBKs might encouraged to think that they are more advanced than BKs but no one can tell their role or number nor that of another. the individual you are discussing with might be seeing something you have not yet. Many ex-BK say they are ex- not because they are ex- but just because they became sick of the hypocrisy, status seeking and subtle dishonesty of the BKWSU. They does not make them stupid. Indeed, it might prove them to be very acute in their vision and courageous to walk away where there is no alternative support system, e.g. PBK.
b) Village voices. As I have said, I would love to hear from those voices we are never likely hear personally. For many, travel to India will be impossible. This is the only medium through which we will meet. I would love to see and hear from the Kunyas and Matas that your Baba puts to the front. If he values them, then you ought to do something to support and promote them. I'd like to read what the other classes you study are not squabble over the BKWSU's left overs.
c) Murli bashing is for losers. As John and Andrey point out, for every Murli point in favour, you can find another to contradict it. It is not a winning, convincing approach. It is not even "living religion". This is a lesson that we should learn from Bhakti and, to be honest, I think the PBK's weakest point. I understand the need for those that come from a BK background, but to take, twist and extract out of context tenuous single sentences from a limited selection of already edited Sakar Murlis in order to try and prove anything is not working from what I see. [Now, revealing the BKs changes, that is another matter ... fine, keep advertising the anomalies!]
d) If Truth is Truth it ought be strong enough to stand on its own two legs, ditto Virendra Dev Dixit. If he is "God's" medium it should become plainly obvious from what he is saying and doing now. He does not need "proving" from any "past the sell-by date" Murlis. To be honest, he does not even need to be God's medium to be a good man with a valuable gift - and even if he is only the best de-programmer for BKs, then that is good enough. Likewise, embrace your enemies. Encourage the PBK critics to some forward and air their views or be honest about past mistakes so that others might learn. Don't try to re-write them.
e) Give up fighting BKs. I do not mean this in this context, I mean it universally. Do not waste any time fighting, criticising, convincing, countering BK. Just let them be, walk away, get on with your own work. To spend 90% of one's energy arguing over 0.1% of the issue is not wise nor economical.
f) Work together with us to provide as much information openly for individuals to decide for themselves. Look at the growing list of Murlis http://www.brahmakumaris.info/w/index.p ... akar_Murli and Gallery http://www.brahmakumaris.info/w/index.p ... :Newimages. I think that we all agree, ego will always lose, so put some energy into cooperative work in which there is no dispute. If you speak Hindi and English, you are in a unique position to benefit the World translating original Murlis etc. I understand the PBKs have almost the whole 5 years.
g) Document the history. As above, in my opinion, the way to "win" over the BKWSU, and the rest of humanity, is to expose it for what it has done not and by doing what it should be doing better than it. We all know the BKs are involved in a big re-write of the Yagya history and The Knowledge. It is no secret any more. Learn a lesson from the lokik world and document this scientifically. The weight of evidence should be obvious.
- Original Murlis, Yagya History, BKWSU legal and financial details, any corruption, personal experiences of centres.
- How much money does the BKWSU have in India? Is it a registered charity? Does it run registered businesses etc?
i) Lastly, be confident enough to think outside of the box. I find Brahmins in general afraid to think outside of very strict limited thought patterns. In the BKWSU especially, where Knowledge is limited and "infantilism" is encouraged, new Brahmins are not freed but trapped afraid to think and question. They spend a lot of energy trying to conform for the sake of approval. Questioning is disencouraged. The proof of truth is not the truth it self but the ability to take that truth and apply or engage it with or to any situation and any source. Keep learning and exercising your mind. "Knowledge" is a bridge over which to meet others, not a wall to separate, bricks to build a castle out of ... nor a stick to beat others.
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- Just to refer back to the thread, is Virendra Dev Dixit considered to be absolutely perfect now in the way the BKWSU believe Lekhraj Kirpalani/BB was?