Upaya wrote:Does it come up in a search of the online catalogue link you posted?
It does now if you know what you are looking for, it did if you did not know it existed. The problem with the shift from Prajapati Brahma Kumaris to Prajapita Brahma Kumaris. They hid all this history from us & manipulated us on the basis of whitewashed historical revision.
who do you think is the author of the document?
I forgot now but it is documented in earlier discussions in this forum. There was an English speaker, an advocate I think it was. Neither LKs nor Om Radhe's English could have coped with writing it. This tradition then carried on later when Jagdish Chander came along & became the official scribe putting words & concepts into Lekhraj Kirpalani's & ShivaBaba's mouth, & re-writing the history.
From my research, it in the early days the Western students were made aware ...
Tell us about your research & the materials you refer to. I think you're referring to the current historical revision of the organization itself, which hardly has a reliable reputation in the matter.
Why speculate, you have "early Western followers" here, not invested into the system for their status, ask them.
The current party line of "clarified over time" or the 'gradual evolution theory' is contradicted by the original documents, of which this is only one. What's more remarkable is how little it has changed except for the marketing. If you read all the current & recent BK materials, it's all "God Shiva came in 1936 & announced himself, blah blah blah". We can see clearly that is not true.
It's made to sound like the development of the beliefs is something terribly high minded & noble. It sounds reasonable & rational. Until you look at the evidence & see how plainly bat **** crazy he, Lekhraj Kirpalani, & they were.
I especially refute the idea that you can "gradually" evolve from believing Lekhraj Kirpalani is God Brahma, to introducing a second party called God Shiva (
& then feel the need to bury all the old teachings so no one would see how wrong you were, including about the End of the World that your cult was dependant on). It's an either or moment.
Then considered it logically. If I told you "I was God, Brahma, Vishnu, Adam, Krishna & the Lord of all Creation" etc, & it took me 20 years to work out that I was not but there was someone else in my head, how crazy would you think I was?
How crazy do you have to be to believe it for a day or two before you're dragged off to the hospital & pumped with medication?
That there was an early confusion as to Dada Leck Raj being God or a Vehicle for God
Well, strictly speaking there was another female medium, we understand it was Dadi Janki's Sister, who was the spiritual medium for this other spirit who they called Piyu at the time. Truth me, we don't know if Lekhraj Kirpalani EVER became the medium for it. Was Piyu ShivBaba, were Piyu & ShivBaba BapDada, was BapDada really Lekhraj Kirpalani & ShivBaba combined?
We can never tell.
On the basis of my study & experience, the bottomline with spiritualism & mediumship is that, "the only thing reliable about it, is that it's unreliable".
Yes, BK beliefs at the time were far closer to classical Vedanta but I don't know where
I am the Creator of my own Creation ... don't blame others ... you create your own life and world ... so live and act in that self respect and empowerment, I AM the powerful creative being
comes from.
Often in groups there is the feeling that the oldest students have some kind of secrets inner knowledge that they don't share with the new students.
And sometimes they just lie to cover their asses for the sake of business. You're running the risk of projection preconceptions you've pick up from books on spirituality on BKism (
which we all did to some extent, fooling ourselves). For example, a high proportion of early Western BKs had read books like "Autobiography of a Yogi" and wanted to live out such fantasies.
Emanating from this Divine Yagya is the huge conflagration in the form of this world war, hereafter called the War of Mahabharat
This is a very radical teaching that the Yoga power emanating from the Om Mandali was the cause of World War II.
Radical makes it sound positive. It was just part of Lekhraj Kirpalani's mental illness. We've broken this down before on the forum, so I won't go into it here & now. It all related to the conflict he caused within his community, & how he believe it was the source of the conflict engulfing the world at the time ... which was, of course, bat **** crazy. Put "delusions of grandeur" high on your list.
Today, this would be classed as a terrorist doctrine.
Yes, & BKism goes - or used to go before they revised it - much further than this. They were to directly inspire & "give courage" to the scientists to use the nuclear arsenal "purifying the world".
Add "infantile rage" to your diagnosis.
Perhaps Eugene and Louis kicking back under the Pandav Bhavan in London in 1977 had a different perspective on Brahma Kumaris teachings.
Best to ask them, they are both accessible from the leads I gave you. I knew both, lived with both for a shortwhile, hung out with Eugene for a short while. I could respond to a small degree, but it would be better get it direct from them.
that's weakness and left over Maya from the old path of Bhakti making us act and misinterpret the teachings
The teachings are lashed together garbage. There's no need to misinterpret them. It's better to just chuck them all out & start again where you are in the here & now, & work it out yourself as best as you can. I tend to think you're seeing something that's not there, idealising them on the basis of ideas about non-BK spirituality.
It would be better to find a better group of people to hang out with that not based on delusion, dependancy, & exploitation based on dishonest.
As I wrote a long time ago, "You cannot build an Age of Truth, out of a Mountain of Lies".
More later.