Sweet Golden Heart, John
John : In Sakar Murli it clearly says ShivaBaba takes a corporeal medium to teach Gyan and does NOT teach through inspiration.
This has been previously addressed in this thread :
John wrote: John 01.10.07 - In Murli it says ShivaBaba does not do anything by inspiration, but comes himself. Which really makes the most sense because anyone could say “I got inspired by ShivaBaba to say or do such and such” and try and pass it off as God Father Shiva's word.
Golden Heart wrote: Golden Heart 03.10.07 -
4. Another bit of miscommunication here. My apologies. The role of Shiva is certainly not through inspiration, when he gives the complete Knowledge directly on the Sakar level from 1937 to 1969. When he plays his second part as Shankar, this is through inspiration. He inspires the Scientists souls to make the nuclear weapons for World transformation, etc.
John: Surely this is the most sensible way to teach otherwise all different souls will come up with all manner of nonsense and want to say it is from GodFather.That is exactly what is going on in the Yagya since 1969, the chief promoter of this ‘nonsense’ being the soul of Virendra Dev Dixit on a corporeal level, followed by the others, leading to confusion and chaos in the BK World (whether BK, PBK, etc.), which is the blue print of the confusion and chaos prevailing between and within the Religions of the outer Broad Drama. It is precisely this ‘nonsense’ which progressively leads to ‘diversity’ and the resultant disintegration and ‘ideological’ chaos which is evident in the Yagya today.
Golden Heart wrote: Golden Heart 03.10.07 - What you have mentioned regarding 'passing it off as God Father Shiva's word' is precisely correct when the role of Shankar is being played. That is why TEN different Major ideologies spring up, each claiming that they are the TRUE GOD, and others are influenced by the Devil.
Sweet Golden Heart, AndreyAndrey: There are many examples that people base their position only on defamation of others.When Supreme Soul Shiva tells us that we are now in the very depths of Hell (rav rav narak) and this WHOLE World is a BROTHEL or House of Prostitution (vaishalay), it meant that we had become extremely Impure, completely Degraded, and totally Bankrupt; it meant that we were PROSTITUTES. I did I not consider this to be ‘defamation’ and I was not offended in any way, I did not feel insulted in any way and it did not give rise to any negative feelings within my Personality (Sanskars). The reason why this ‘Truth’ did not trigger negative feelings within my Sanskars was because I recognized who was ‘speaking’ and I realized that the ‘True’ intention of the Father was not to defame the Child but to bring a certain Realization to the Child with the aim of motivating the Child to reach the highest ‘destination’.
Those who do not ‘recognize’ and ‘understand’ would still consider above to be ‘defamation’, but those who do ‘recognize’ and ‘understand’ would know same to be the ‘truth’, the ‘realization’ of which is extremely benevolent. When ‘shooting’ period of Copper/Iron Ages commences in the Yagya, the ‘defamation’ propagated by each of the instrumental souls is ‘considered’ to be ‘truth’ by respective followers, and any ‘truth’ highlighted by anyone outside a particular ‘ideology’ is considered to be ‘defamation’ of that ‘ideology’.
Andrey: What you say about the BKs cannot be true, for consciousness is with "c". BK means son or daughter of Brahma, which is not a form of body consciousness, for we are not progeny of the body. Avyakt BapDada 06.09.07, Page 3, (reproduced on this Forum) Thread - BK / BapDada – New season 2007-8 Avyakt Vani
What will the Pandavs do ? “ those who are ‘wrong’ will see it negatively and those who are ‘right’ will see it positively ”
Andrey: Like you say we should leave body consciousness, we should leave the 10 ideologies. Let's leave them, but offer a better solution; new consciousness, a new ideology, we should adopt. There is no other new ‘ideology’ to offer. Simply endeavour to comprehend the K already revealed by Supreme Soul Shiva in its proper perspective, from a soul-conscious viewpoint.
Andrey: It is not true that in the Golden Age and Silver Age there is no religion (ideology). There is religion. This awareness only exists now. In Golden Age and Silver Age it is not ‘understood’ or even ‘considered’ to be a Religion, since the concept of alternative ‘ideologies’ does not exist at that ‘time’ in that ‘consciousness’.
Andrey: We aim one religion or ideology and this the best of all, not the worst of all, but the first of all.I agree, to an
ABSOLUTE DEGREE.Andrey: We should reprogram, with the correct program.I agree, to an
ABSOLUTE DEGREE, the program of
‘soul-consciousness’.Andrey: There are problems now, because there are variety of opinions, religions, etc. Every now and again an ‘angel’ or ‘god’ comes to deliver the “true” information. One religion can be there if there is one religious founder.That one
ABSOLUTE SPIRITUAL ‘FOUNDER’ is
Supreme Soul Shiva.Sweet Golden Heart, Button SlammerButton Slammer wrote: Button Slammer 05.12.07 - I hope that when you eventually get to the point of what it is you actually have to say/express, it will prove to be as entertaining as your prologue. That is of course, if mere words are able to encapsulate the unlimited fragrance of your golden heart, etc, etc. All talk and no action ? Lets wait and see. Your style of expression is colourful and hypnotic. Perhaps just style over content ?
The emergence of sub-conscious thoughts, the emergence of conscious thoughts and the expression of words ARE ALL, SUBTLE forms of ‘ACTION’. The Supreme Soul has no physical medium to perform ‘action’ solely in the way it is viewed from a BC perspective. His Thoughts are expressed in Words through a physical medium, and those Words definitely bring about the manifestation of the most auspicious and elevated ‘ACTIONS’ in the WHOLE OF CREATION. There is absolutely NO DOUBT in this ! ! !
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