I apologise butting in again to your conversation but nothing Dawn could have done would have warranted the maniacal depravity of what happened to her. We ought to keep such discussion tied to practical examples such as these and the multiple child abuses that happened in Madhuban and ask "why?" Not to be fobbed off with "Karma". I cannot remember BapDada ever even being asked about the child abuse victims ... that seems strange to me.
I had a friend die in Gyan "under Baba's canopy of protection" in a car crash. I, personally, know of two such deaths and I think that there have been more. Was it not in South America or South Africa? The general opinion amongst BKs that also knew the former, and were around at the time, was that it was caused by the over tiredness most BKs working in the real world and trying to keep up the full principles experience when it happened. Empty road, one other single vehicle involved. He was following the principles and doing service (I say "friend" but, of course, we were not allowed to have friends in the BKWSU as that would be attachment.) Someone that inspired great positive in my life that had nothing to do with Gyan.
Given that you have not delivered to us the nature of mechanism of this immutable "Law", it may be your equation that needs tweaking John too. I would tend to agree with Diogenes. Either the BKs' spirit guides are not God and therefore not absolute, or that for practical purposes the BKs should not persist in propagating misleading encouragements as if they WERE the unquestionable word of God. And if one saying is not truth ... as we have documented many now ... does that not reflect on all their sayings?
Humans have a tendency to filter out large amounts of evidence that does not fit their theories. Even scientist souls.
I referred to the Buddha not in a devotional manner but in that those teachings are considered the primary source of Karma philosophy, more so than general Hinduism. In those teachings, there are elements beyond our control, as there are in science. It is as if to say Karma only applies to a partial band of our experience in the same way that Newton's Laws of Motion only apply to a certain dimension and not the Quanta (which is where you are taking us with such laws or theories.
The hard, paid for science that I have been reading recently about related phenomenon points the finger at "false confidence" syndrome. For example, a new study suggests that hypnosis doesn't help people recall events more accurately - but it does tend to make people more confident of their inaccurate memories. Ditto "speed reading" does not actually make the reader more informed - but it tends to make the reader more confident that they are informed. Individuals having manic phases, such as I would label the "Honeymoond Period" tend to exhibit this.
The BKWSU is FULL of "false confidences". Nirwair favourite story of diving over the top of a trench into a hail of bullets because he knew Baba "was protecting him" is a perfect example. I would lay a bet on Dawn having been told the same and believing it. So, in such an exaggerated case, why cannot we expect a real, grown up answer? I am sorry to openly doubt the integrity of your god but, personally, I think Gulzar's trance message was a wet flannel of a sop thrown in the face of Dawn's friends and family, and other BKs.
I had a friend die in Gyan "under Baba's canopy of protection" in a car crash. I, personally, know of two such deaths and I think that there have been more. Was it not in South America or South Africa? The general opinion amongst BKs that also knew the former, and were around at the time, was that it was caused by the over tiredness most BKs working in the real world and trying to keep up the full principles experience when it happened. Empty road, one other single vehicle involved. He was following the principles and doing service (I say "friend" but, of course, we were not allowed to have friends in the BKWSU as that would be attachment.) Someone that inspired great positive in my life that had nothing to do with Gyan.
Given that you have not delivered to us the nature of mechanism of this immutable "Law", it may be your equation that needs tweaking John too. I would tend to agree with Diogenes. Either the BKs' spirit guides are not God and therefore not absolute, or that for practical purposes the BKs should not persist in propagating misleading encouragements as if they WERE the unquestionable word of God. And if one saying is not truth ... as we have documented many now ... does that not reflect on all their sayings?
Humans have a tendency to filter out large amounts of evidence that does not fit their theories. Even scientist souls.
I referred to the Buddha not in a devotional manner but in that those teachings are considered the primary source of Karma philosophy, more so than general Hinduism. In those teachings, there are elements beyond our control, as there are in science. It is as if to say Karma only applies to a partial band of our experience in the same way that Newton's Laws of Motion only apply to a certain dimension and not the Quanta (which is where you are taking us with such laws or theories.
The hard, paid for science that I have been reading recently about related phenomenon points the finger at "false confidence" syndrome. For example, a new study suggests that hypnosis doesn't help people recall events more accurately - but it does tend to make people more confident of their inaccurate memories. Ditto "speed reading" does not actually make the reader more informed - but it tends to make the reader more confident that they are informed. Individuals having manic phases, such as I would label the "Honeymoond Period" tend to exhibit this.
The BKWSU is FULL of "false confidences". Nirwair favourite story of diving over the top of a trench into a hail of bullets because he knew Baba "was protecting him" is a perfect example. I would lay a bet on Dawn having been told the same and believing it. So, in such an exaggerated case, why cannot we expect a real, grown up answer? I am sorry to openly doubt the integrity of your god but, personally, I think Gulzar's trance message was a wet flannel of a sop thrown in the face of Dawn's friends and family, and other BKs.