Interesting thoughts. Detachment. Yes ex-l, on the surface that is what the ex told me. It was to lose one's body-consciousness in order to be soul-conscious. However, as usual, the rules are put forward in very simplistic phrases. You must be celibate in order to blah blah ... no mention of the actual reprecussions for your actions. You must reserve all your love for Baba, if you don't ... blah blah. If you are in a relationship, especially a committed one, or if you infer to another person they are special to you, in order to be celibate one must emotionally detach. This is the reason why my ex says it is impossible to stay under the same roof as myself - it is too difficult for him to be detached. His thoughts stray.
He cant admit to how much he does love me because it is just too painful for him and he must continue on this path no matter what. (His exact words). His path to being soul-conscious. Bloody sick sort of thinking if you ask me. Its easy, they say, just be celibate and don't think naughty thoughts ... these initiates certainly are not told upfront (just hypnotically and psychically reinforced and controlled) on how to achieve this 'soul-consciousness'. Just do this, this and this ... there you are on your way to being a king and riding on a Chariot.
You are so special, you have a special task, you are superior to all others outside of BK dom. You were an Indian in a previous life (yes, I've heard that one too). The people of Atlantis were very clever and genetically engineered the dinosaurs and all the other stories. Needless to say, very embarrassing when something like this slips out of his mouth in company!!!
None of the consequences of 'celibacy', cutting ties with those who actually really care about you, the pink coated dream of detachment and soul-consciousness and the actual mechanics of what is required to do this is ever explained. This is criminal. What also is criminal that these individuals who were BKs, found it too extreme and leave (without really leaving) do not declare what their beliefs are and what their real agenda is before they 'suck in' and deceive yet more innocent people into a relationship (or the hope of a relationship ). In other words, hook someone emotionally and then s*** on them from a great height.
The KISS method (keep it simple stupid) works so effectively for this organisation. Why would they change it? Just look how far reaching it has gotten. It would be like saying you can be a BK and have a healthy, well-adjusted, loving relationship with someone and the act of having children was God sent. It just ain't gonna happen. It cannot. The very basis of BK doctrine does not allow itself to adapt to Western 2007 culture. A few months ago, I was really wishing for the same thing. I did not want someone to not have their beliefs, but I couldn't accept the insanity of what it was doing to family life. The modernisation in my mind of BK doctrine seemed the ideal compromise. Being where I am at now, i was dreaming.
In my opinion, even if it was utter ****, there would still be people attracted to it because it gives them a feeling of differentness and superiority over other. A mental framework and so on. And so they would not want to know or question it
How true. I think that the vast majority of Westerners are searching for answers, for something to heal their pain, for a way to get high and intoxicated, and be able to deny that's what they are doing, and any number of reasons.
Anything to escape and make themselves feel better. And for a small minority a true quest for spirituality. Often people with an extremely low self esteem will jump at this sort of opportunity because it makes them feel like they are finally worth something. (Until the Honeymoon Period is over and they start waking up - then what? BKs wont be there to help).
The PBKs would agree in their own language, the BKWSU is run by sanyasis looking for and sustaining their devotees ... not real Yogis.
Yes, how true. I really don't think a true yogi would evolve or develop from the type of BK honeymoon initiate we are talking about here. What other reason could there possibly be except to reel the devotees in (except for their money of course), that it would be purely delusional to expect these type of people to be able to attain any degree of being a true yogi. Its like saying there can be 108, or 16000, or 900 000 Dali Lamas.
I can honestly say, I have astral travelled. I have danced in the ether. I have soared up through the planes. I have been soul-conscious and ceased body-consciousness for a short time. And I certainly got there without Raja Yoga or the occult practises of the BKs. And I was in a relationship ... wonder what DJ would make of that? I might add I very, very rarely drink and a panadol or antibiotic is the only form of drug I have ever taken. The only time my endorphins kicked in was in childbirth and not in a self-induced hypnotic coma.
I could never aspire to being a Yogi, or building a vessel. My task is in the here and now. What I do for myself in order to be able to give and love others in a less selfish and more unconditional way. I cannot achieve this if I detach. In fact, if I detach and stop caring about others and how my actions impact on them I achieve only the oposite. I think the word "detach" belongs on the shelf with the BKs "not being a religion", or a university or whatever meaning they wish to apply to whatever word suits them at that point in time.
The definition will change according to the agenda. I would suggest that instead of BKs all being Indian in previous lives, it is the other way around. Their command and usage of the English language is extremely impressive. Most Westerners could only dream of having the skills to twist words the way these sanyasis do.
Oh, I thought you all might like this one. I suggested did he really think that I was going to die a most horrendous death etc etc because I was not a BK? The answer, get this, is NO ... because most people that aren't BKs will never know anything about it and never know any different. So I wont neccessarily die in absolute agony and all the other prophesies of what I am going to suffer because I am not a BK. I couldn't make sense of it either ... Just twist again ... reminds me of a song from the fifties, just where all this other c*** belongs, in history ...
By the way, thank you all for letting me rant and rave and letting it all hang out. This forum is definitely the best therapy. Hugs and heart felt love, Di