Dadi JANKI – Q&A with BK Trushar Barot, GCH, 26th April 2011 - evening
Brother Trushar introduced Dadi, as his grandmother, and that he would be asking questions as a grandson to a grandmother, rather than an interviewer with an interviewee. Trushar requested that Dadi looks at him as a loving grandson whilst he asks these questions, so that no matter how silly the questions are the Grandmother will understand the innocence with which the grandson is asking.
In the context of this relationship Trushar asked:
How do you meditate Dadi? When we talk about Baba we all have different interpretations of who we are thinking about: Brahma Baba, Shiv Baba, the combined form, the Sakar form. When Dadi talks about Baba, what is her understanding of who Baba is and how does she think of Baba at Amrit Vela?
Dadi thinks of Trushar as a good Baba’s child, not a grandson! Dadi will accept and answer the questions with love. Each one’s experience of Baba is not different. Baba means Baba. There is Sakar Baba, Avyakt Baba and Narayan also. The Incorporeal One caught hold of the corporeal. The corporeal one remained Avyakt. We never saw him as an ordinary human being. Our way of seeing him changed. There was one Sister in the early days ,who would go into trance, and would see Baba in the Subtle Regions as well as in the Sakar form. She would ask who is he up ther e? Baba said that He was showing her the sparkling form beyond. Shiv Baba was making Brahma Baba Avyakt and also pulling all of us up above. We souls are to go beyond the consciousness of the body and bodily relations. We experienced Baba’s stage always like that . It was never a matter of trying to remember Baba, that form was natural. At Amrit Vela, we pay attention to Baba and he gives us a lot of sakaash, which sustains us throughout the whole day. This love, light and might allows us to remain detached and loving and so we don’t become tired.
Dadi will never miss 7pm meditation wherever she is. Baba said, in service be free of obstacles. Why do obstacles come in service? Because we don’t remain in Yoga accurately. At 7pm Yoga the stage can be that of an angel. Angels remove obstacles. This is what real remembrance is practically…to be pulled into the angelic stage. If I am having remembrance others will be pulled too. So move along according to the directions we receive. Then it is not a matter of trying to remember Baba, because I am following His directions. Sit with the Companion and see how He is with you.
You have a big advantage over us Dadi, as you have known Baba for many many years. During his Sakar days, he shared with you many secrets about progress and spiritual development. We have not had the same opportunity and I think it is easier for you to remember Baba!
Does anyone relate you to Surenderbhai’s son? It is Baba who has given you the intellect you have. Giving the return of the sustenance you have received from childhood makes you a multi times fortunate soul. Many didn’t take the benefit of the sustenance Baba gave. Mama took that benefit. Out of 300 only about 30 took complete benefit of the sustenance Baba gave. Today also, there are some who are trapped in their own things. They are not ready to be free . What can Baba do, what can Dadi do? Dadi will not let go of anyone and will find a method to bring them close.
During the day Dadi doesn’t sit down and meditate a lot. I think there is a deep secret that Dadi could share with us, as to what she does throughout the day whilst engaged in activity. How does she visualise her relationship with Baba then?
Dadi feels everyone will have the answer to this. Whatever Baba did, I do. Dadi has copyright and doesn’t know anything else. Dadi is happy with what everyone else is doing. Dadi would always encourage others. From the moment Dadi leaves the morning class, many wish to meet her. With an honest heart, stay light and remember Baba. Throughout the day there is the natural practice of remaining incorporeal internally and a lot of lightness in service. I was so light with Baba and would go to him at any time. He would see me and say come, come. This is love for God. The bhavna He has for me and the pull that I have. As soon as Baba called my name I would be bodiless. God’s blessing is that this name (Janak) would do two tasks: make souls incorporeal and make them trustees. Brahma Baba gave his body as the Chariot to Shiv Baba, yet is it with the rent that he becomes Narayan? No. This soul made his own effort and becomes Narayan. That One is the tenant and Brahma Baba is the master of the body.
Tests will come to the body, but think of the body as entrusted to Baba and He will take care of it. Don’t think of it as ‘my’ body because matter is tamopradhan; the atmosphere is tamopradhan; the medicines can create reactions – but think of the self as a child of God. The soul is a child of the Supreme Soul and the Supreme Soul says to the child ‘ you are sitting in that body, but you have to follow My directions and do My task’. Today Baba has said that thoughts, words, actions should be like Baba’s. What are Baba’s relationships with people like? Just keep watching Baba. Baba looks the same whoever He is with. He re minds us of Him and this is why I love Him so much. If someone is sick they are not honestly sick. It is because they are thinking useless things. Even if I was to leave the body let me be in Baba’s remembrance.
Bearing in mind that it is still the grandchild asking the grandmother a question…..what I would find useful is if you could share ....I can only see him as a soul, not a grandchild. Brahma Baba would never say that ‘I am the Father’. One time he explained that all of us have a mother and a Father, and he only has a Father, Shiv Baba. If the soul has the intoxication of who it belongs to internally, then we will experience Shiv Baba. Have this chit-chat with Baba.
Regardless of what Dadi says, I want to learn the best way to meditate. Coul Dadi speak a meditation commentary for us? I have seen Dadi do drills, but not a meditation commentary as such and I would really love to hear what she does. Could she do this for her grandchild?
You do not need a commentary. A commentary is a matter of coming into words and this is a matter of going beyond words. Those who have happiness go beyond sound. In this knowledge the experience is unique.
Dadi has shared many stories of the early days and what it was like. I would like to ask Dadi what were the first days in the UK like?
First Baba said, do not go to the foreign lands, you can do foreign service from here. Then Jagdishbhai created an exhibition for the foreign lands. Then Dr Nirmala and Mohiniben thought Jayantiben should come. Jayantiben said that she would come if Dadi came too. Didi and Dadi then said to Dadi that she should go to the foreign lands. I said, I do not know the language. The next day Baba came in Baba’s room especially; gave me drishti and said ‘ you have to go to the foreign lands’. I said ‘ Baba, I don’t know English and He said ‘ you go and cre ate a model of Madhuban, that is all’ – these words were wonderful. I went directly to Bombay and Rajniben’s Brother organised the ticket with Kuwait airlines. Dadi had a small bag with 3 sari’s. After being in Pune for 16 years, She never returned to take leave. When I arrived here, I just watched Baba’s wonder.
Dadi arrived in London on the 25th April 1974 and it was cold. Jayantiben would do the talks and Dadi would inspire her through her thoughts. Many would come to the lectures and this was Baba’s wonder. People started to ask ‘who did she learn these things from?’ and then they started explaining Shiv Baba and Brahma Baba. Many came then and had visions of Brahma Baba. In January 1975 we got 96 Tennyson Road and created Baba’s room. The Brothers who were spiritually born would come and have Amrit Vela there . Dadi would sit next to Sister Jayanti when she gave the course. Dadi had the thought that ‘Baba, I thought you had taught me to teach in Bharat but now I see how you are teaching me to teach souls of the world, and they are learning with so much interest.
We bought a car for £350 and drove it for 10 years. Jayantiben used to drive. I would tell her not to drive, but to sit in silence with Dadi. So a Brother then took on the driving. Someone brought a nice big car and I told them we didn’t need it. We could use a van though! To this day Dadi does not have her own car. Someone will always to offer to drive Dadi. Has Dadi ever wanted a car, never mind bought a coat or shoes?
I remember one incident that occurred that made me a little bit scared of Dadi. When in Baba Bhavan, Dadi called all the parents of the children and told them to remove the TV’s from their homes. From then I was always a bit worried when my parents would go to see Dadi in case she might ask them to remove more things. So why is Dadi not so strict anymore with the children these days?
If I wasn’t strict and didn’t ask you to move along according to the marayadas’s where would you all be? In the latest Murli’s Baba says to the double foreigner’s that you have changed all of your cultures and this is a wonder. One is not fully surrendered until you have the feeling of family. There are some who wish to surrender but they do not have the power to do this. They like the things that Baba feeds them. There are some who cannot break the habit of watching TV before going to sleep, and then they are unable to have Amrit Vela. TV is a TB, a sickness. Dadi does not even read newspapers. Be honest effort makers…and instead of watching TV, spend time in solitude. Don’t waste time. One time I said to Baba, that ‘you have had jeevanmukti in a second, we have taken years;’ Baba said ‘When something is understood, it is understood in a second’ – this is why I love Baba so much. Some have the fortune to understand and do in a second. The majority understand but can take years in actually doing it. Day and night, Dadi waits to find someone practically who will emerge and say ‘I understand’. What is effort? It is realisation. Transformation comes , when we understand and change. Some have no thought to change, just to follow their own heart. To them Dadi gives good wishes and hopes that they will climb Baba’s hearthrone, and then says Drama. When there is change, Baba teaches us to smile.
Yes, Dadi was strict in the beginning, not to frighten anyone, but it was necessary. Dadi also taught others not to waste money. Souls who are cooperative in any way, given them regard. I was firm in my systems and customs in order to make others firm in this way.
Dadi, you are talking about the importance of giving regard. What we notice about you, is your amazing ability to have faith in souls. Even if the whole world has dissatisfaction with an individual and even if that individual has lost hope in themselves, you still have that faith and still see the beauty in that soul…how do you do that ?
It is what Baba wants to give to that soul and Baba is pulling each soul to benefit them. It may be someone who has taken a high jump or just plodding along, but everyone needs to feel that Baba has love for them. When a soul is living in the family and making good effort no one will prevent them from making progress. The family becomes cooperative. Everyone should read Sunday’s Murli, two or three times…success with the right method. The system has been created here to do everything in the right way. Dadi will always go via Baba’s room when she arrives and leaves. Do you all do that ? Do you have such regard for Baba? I never think of Baba’s translight as Baba’s picture, but as the One who is giving an experience through the lucky Chariot. The more we recognise Him the more our fortune is created and we can create the fortune of others also. The more we have recognition for Baba, the more we recognise ourselves and can bring recognition to others. We should have such recognition of what Baba is giving to us.
We see ongoing images of the problems and what is happening in the world today. I am bombarded by all these images at work, at the BBC, many of which we cannot even broadcast because they are so disturbing. What does serving through the mind really mean when we are dealing with a world where souls are going through such trauma? How can I serve souls in a practical way, by serving through the mind?
Service through the mind… Our minds need to be pure and peaceful so we can serve here and the world. It is with our attitude that the atmosphere is created and our vibrations reach far. There were amazing scenes with Baba, in the Sakar days in Karachi. Wherever I go on the plane people say, I have seen you, because we do much service in the media. (Karunabhai has created the TV channel) As we sit in these gatherings people will have visions of these gatherings. I have such intoxication that if people were to have visions of this gathering of all nations, they would be amazed. Mahatma Gandhi also wanted non-violence but he was not able to bring people into unity with each other. Baba has said that non-violence is our religion. Move along with peace and love and realise that your religion is non-violent. These teachings are to practically make us into angels.
Once with Dadi Gulzar, Dadi commented that it takes time to take off the old clothes we wear and put on fresh clothes. Dadi Gulzar replied to just put on a transparent dress. Dadi loved this. We can do this when we have the natural practise to be bodiless and let everyone see us as a sparkling soul. Whatever was the old nature is gone and now others can have a vision of our new nature. The power that God is giving us is going to work for us. Never think things are difficult. Baba’s children come up with very good inventions. And these things will attract people. Such inventions in service can be created and if there is expense with this, OK thi s is using money in a worthwhile way. Show everyone your experiences, that happiness comes from within – not from possession, position and relationships.
Thank You Dadi.
Om Shanti