Brahma Kumaris Info - the Truth about BK Meditation

Hi. I was reading today about a- now outdated!- 29 june 07 Request for special Yoga for Dadiji mailed from Dadi Janki, Dadi Gulzar, Mohini and Nirwair from Madhuban. For some months they all hoped, and in fact seemed confident, that DK would recover and were begging all Raja Yoga students to send positive vibes for such an aim. Why wouldn't they just let her go?

So "for at least 3 months all Baba's children should take out extra time and have 20-30 minutes powerful Yoga collectively. Yoga and blessings will show wonders where medicine is not able to work ... special meditation morning or evening ... please continue to give your cooperation with the same extra powerful Yoga tapasya".

What was the purpose of trying to keep DK in the body longer? Why not letting Drama and nature do its course? They defined it as a "loving request", in return for the spiritual sustenance that Dadiji used to give us.

Do they realize that people who have work, family responsabilities and even do sewa, can hardly find extra time for Yoga even if they want to? Is it a common practise in all centers, to sustain each other so lovingly, especially in the case some member falls sick or has any trouble?

Or is it a treatment reserved to top gurus that peons should render, like offerings to the pharaoh or high priest? That's how it feels to me. Unfortunately, I met many BKs that felt abandoned and not supported by the "spiritual family", whenever they had to cross a tough patch in life.

And many mails members posted on this site make me suspicious, once again, about the methods and motives this BK organisation has for sucking or hijacking people's mental energy and time.

abrahma Kumar wrote:I too am open to be impressed upon. The directive for the students to hold Yoga bhattis must have been issued by now. What purpose does Yoga serve in this instance?

I was wondering at the various purposes that Yoga serves - including in the case of imminent death. Purifying sins etc, etc but in this instance has anyone ever wondered what these souls 'do' with our Yoga energy? Nothing at all? And us, is it just the good wishes and pure feelings?

Of course, these 2 things can be very fulfilling and rewarding in their own rights; but there is nothing altruistic about the Confluence, benefit and loss still accrue, so what do BKs think happens with all this 'giving of Yoga power' that they do?

Thanks alladin, the above was posted by yours truly on the 22nd August.

The following class was received via the BKWSU mailout. Nothing Dadi's mention of the snake set me to wondering whether she is reading this topic.

Dadi Janki – 29.10.07 - Pandav Bhawan
To be farsighted is to reveal Baba in your face

Shiv Baba is sweet, innocent and the Benefactor. He’s the one who removes everyone’s sorrow and gives happiness to all. On the one hand we say He’s the Benefactor, and on the other He’s the Innocent Lord. Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar are His creation. Brahma becomes Vishnu, and Shankar is the embodiment of tapasya. The more you get to know Shiv Baba, and accept Him with your heart, then the more your third eye opens. You recognize Him and become those who are farsighted and broad intellected. In India, those with a farsighted intellect get a lot of respect. By remembering Baba you become farsighted and by inculcating Gyan you become those with a broad intellect. So see if you are the ones who are farsighted and having a broad intellect. The means of becoming farsighted is to be manmanabhav. Think about this word.

God is the Bestower of Fortune, the Highest on High. In His words there is so much power. There are hundreds of thousands of words in the scriptures; people even read the whole Gita. However from God’s mouth only the word 'manmanabhav' emerges. Who says this? The Supreme Father, the Supreme Soul, says "Engage your mind with Me." In the Gita it says "Stabilize yourself in the meaning of Om." Once a guru told an old mother to say ‘Om’ 900,000 times. She did not find peace by doing that. When she met me she had the experience of peace. All we need is a peaceful face. Baba has given us so much peace and love. Increase your experience of this and don't keep other things in your intellect that are not useful, because then the power of the peace and love that you have is not created. Until we die we have to become the embodiment of experience. Our face, character and virtues should continue to become like those of an angel, then others will experience us as an image of Baba and will see Who has created us.

You have to go to the home of the Bridegroom. His home is very beautiful. First He says "Manmanabhav" and then He says, "Come to Me with peace." We’re making effort to go to the land of happiness, but only when you go to the land of peace can you go there and for that you need to perform a lot of elevated actions. Once I said to Baba, "You’re very clever. You give unconditional love but you put so many conditions!" When you’ve understood the conditions, then you can attain unconditional love. "Baba” emerges from our mouths, but Baba should show on our faces. Baba says, "Don't sing My praise, become virtuous."

Yesterday Baba spoke the words 'guesthouse' and 'get out'. Those who are guests are great souls. Their attitude is above and beyond. You should have so much power that you can say to Maya, "Get out of our guesthouse." If Baba calls you or if it’s in drama for you to leave, you should be ready. Baba gives the example of the snake shedding the skin. We have to rehearse this now. Our old skin is very valuable. The body of the Golden Age will be very beautiful, but the service we're doing in this body will result in every aspect of matter giving happiness to all. We're learning Raja Yoga and becoming kings of kings. How will we become this? Have the intoxication all day of manmanabhav and madhiajibhav - even two words of knowledge become jewels. Who is it that does the work of increasing their value internally? This is such a valuable life!

Dadi Janki wrote:We're learning Raja Yoga and becoming kings of kings. How will we become this?

This was something I got pulled up for saying in my days. Its not true that we are all becoming "kings of kings", is it? We cant all be. I suppose it works as an encouragement but its a numbers game. Only a few can ever be Chief. Rank, status ...

Its the same in any aspect of life, whether a lion on the savannah or chairman on the board.

One or two Chiefs, lots of Indians. We can do the mathematics and work out, even by their theory, how many it is. So is it fair to encourage individuals on in this way?

ex-l wrote: So is it fair to encourage individuals on in this way?

Om Shanti. If there was no such encouragement there won't be so many kings. If you are to become king in the Golden Age you have to make efforts to achieve that status, but first of all somebody should encourage you to make these efforts. So IMHO it's fair to encourage people. Anyway encouragement is beneficial for everyone. With it you can make more efforts and acheive higher status, even if it won't be king status.

Also any citizen of the Golden Age is king of kings (in comparison with Iron and Copper ages), because of his qualities and property.

With regards, Shankar

It was also my personal dharna (rightly or wrongly) that the royal status that we allegedly attain in the Golden Age reflects the pinnacle of Royalty in whatever form it will be expressed subsequently in The Cycle. Hence the concept of 'seed souls' or 'ancestor souls' comes to mind.

So "for at least 3 months all Baba's children should take out extra time and have 20-30 minutes powerful Yoga collectively. Yoga and blessings will show wonders where medicine is not able to work ... special meditation morning or evening ... please continue to give your cooperation with the same extra powerful Yoga tapasya".

What was the purpose of trying to keep DK in the body longer? Why not letting Drama and nature do its course? They defined it as a "loving request", in return for the spiritual sustenance that Dadiji used to give us.

It seems these souls are unwilling to face reality, i.e that after so many years of tapasya and service their number one soul became brain dead. Indeed, they must be completely stupified. Drama is accurate, no?

It is clear that every soul has to reach a total impoverished tamopradhan stage/beggar. How ironic that DK, the Admin head of the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University, a yogi of over 70 years a companion of God etc, in every way an 'Emperor' becomes a human vegetable, whose associates beg the 'family' at large for alms/rememberance. Oh dear.

And many mails members posted on this site make me suspicious, once again, about the methods and motives this BK organisation has for sucking or hijacking people's mental energy and time.

I fear that the BK world is now led by those who are deeply involved with occult practices. Why would any sane and normal person want to remember dead or dying forms in order to become a spiritualy pure being?.

Srimat says to remember the Seed, and to shower the Seed with loving rememberance, through this rememberance the entire tree receives benefit. Also, the soul is being co-operative in the Godly task, and by being co-operative with the seed the soul, continues to receive co-operation from other souls from time to time.

The BKs are simly being selfish in 'requesting' the water of love from the divine family, also they are diverting the connection of the flow of rememberances away from the Ocean of Love to that of a sewer. Just what is the point in remembering a corpse?

It is a death cult through and through. Some may call it loving rememberances of sweet Dadiji. I just say Voodoo. One has only to glimpse Avyakt BapDada stumbling across the Madhuban stage to recognize a Zombie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laAbN0mC2ZI (Dr Frankensteins Monster). Don't forget this soul DK/Dadi Kumarka built a mausoleum in Madubhan (The Peace Tower) for the worship of a dead form, that of Brahma Baba/Dada Lekraj.

Baba says, "Past is Past, the past is a graveyard."

There is a name for those who love and worship the dead.

button slammer wrote:There is a name for those who love and worship the dead.

It doesn't suprise me one bit that the Chinese worship their ancestors. Those who have contact with older folks may have met individuals with astounding depth, intelligence, wisdom, and judgement. I certainly have. From after her stroke at age 92 till her death three years later, my mother-in-law was pure and enlightened, as well. A creative, observant, inquisitive and loving presence. Her memory is a source of joy in my heart.

To the BKs, their memorials are expressions of family love. And if Shiva is God and incarnated in Brahma, someone who was a favorite and lived in close contact with these spiritual superheros would be deserving of loving memory, especially who was as dedicated and charismatic as I've found Dadi K to be.

Yes, we should not deny anyone the right to worship whatever they want and follow whatever practises they wish. It all adds up to the global folklore. I was reading an article about voodoo in Benin that included a nice pic of a sorcerer, a "feticheur", in his cave full of skulls, animal skins and all sorts of amulets hanging from the ceiling. Why not? People go to Haiti or Bahia in Brazil on tours, to get some closer experience of Macumba rituals etc. The world is and has been full of such things. All nuances exist, from black to white, healers, shamans, medicine men or women, esoteric consultants, snake oil or magic filter vendors ...

The problem is when cheating occurs and you don't get what you paid for, entertainment or healing or enlightenment, etc ...That's what pisses people off. Usually one doesn't get a refund, when it comes to occultism: it's your problem!!

In our case, as Bottom Slammer was quoting, the offical BK teachings we got from Murlis, and that are said to be nothing less than words spoken directly from God Himself ( wah, what a fortune, we are the elected ones who heard them:!: ). According to them better, more accurate, beneficial and true than the Bible, the Koran or the 10 Commandments, are being disrespected and contradicted by the Central Godly Government itself, SS!

The list of cults developed by the BKs, is very long and has been compiled and discussed on the Forum on different topics. Rings, badges, talismans, posters, prashad and nectar. A typical example is the one about keeping pictures, or even filling centers and BK houses with them. It's like a self declaring non-smoker placing ashtrays all over the flat!

It all comes down to dishonesty, and mixed messages. But well, the world is bursting with those, individuals do whatever pleases them, what to do? You love integrity and consistency, you go for it, and water that seed. It's a matter of choice and sanskars, and affiliation or company we want to keep.

buttonslammer wrote:Don't forget this soul DK/Dadi Kumarka built a mausoleum in Madubhan (The Peace Tower) for the worship of a dead form, that of Brahma Baba/Dada Lekraj.

Omshanti. It should also be noted that while Brahma Baba chose neither to cremate Mama in the Madhuban complex nor build any memorial for her (which was in accordance with Shrimat), Dadi Kumarka was responsible for the cremation of Brahma Baba and building a memorial for him in the Madhuban complex.

Similarly, followers of Dadi Kumarka cremated her in Shantivan complex and have probably built a memorial for her (as suggested in one of the Bhog messages). Has any of the members visited Mount Abu/Abu Road and observe any memorial built for her????

Regards,
OGS,
Arjun

joel wrote:To the BKs, their memorials are expressions of family love. And if Shiva is God and incarnated in Brahma, someone who was a favorite and lived in close contact with these spiritual superheros would be deserving of loving memory, especially who was as dedicated and charismatic as I've found Dadi K to be.

Its very benign of you joel and, of course, from a human point of view it is entirely natural. But were we being trained to be human?

I have to agree with button slammer but I too sense a grave dissonance between the teachings and the actions or manifestation that appears to be being resolved by modifying the teachings, rather than the activity. Even I am deeply saddened by how far they left the teachings and feel more akin to Lekhraj Kirpalani than what we see today. The teachings have not change so much, so what is going on.

There is another Youtube clip of BapDada playing Holi and what I am reading from it is illustrated in the us and you relationship between the Seniors on stage and the massed followers below them witnessing it. See Nirvair standing right behind BapDada where a media analyst might say of a similar position in, say, a political environment was that the individual was enforcing in others minds their position of power, influence, closeness to the authority figure. There are pictures too around of Janki Kripalani feeding BapDada, she also features.

You could say it is "just natural" to want to remember the dead and it is "just natural" to build a high cut-off stage for the stars to keep them apart from the fans. But I would agree with those that say, and Lekhraj Kirpalani in this case, it is not according to Shrimat/Gyan. The question I am asking myself here, and raised in the meditation music thread, is; are BKs having their own relationship with the Supreme or having a relationship with the Seniors having a relationship with the Supreme. If BapDada turns out to be the Supreme.

Check out the devotional sanctification going on in the Jewel of Light video; carried on golden thrones, wearing huge golden malas, saintly auras etc. How do we correlate that with the teachings? Fine, it looks like a great and noble life. She walks through a crowd or is carried just like a great sanyasi but where is the unwritten variation on the original theme. It looks like to me they are dancing to a different tune.

Were we not meant to be NOT distracted by human forms? The "old boots".

There is another Youtube clip of BapDada playing Holi

Gee Whiz (~!~) ~ YouTube can play "BapDada" 'Live' to the whole world but WE ex's get into trouble from da BK's for asking for a written Murli ... doesn't make sense, eh?

Unless of course the BK's big shots realise that Google and Youtube have got millions of bucks behind them and are able to counter any legal challenge far more efficiently and with more universal impact and reaction than this site possibly could? ...

Its like the big dog wants to bite the small dog but we've all heard of how the small dog choked the big dog when it tried to swallow him. Fido rules.

paulkershaw wrote:Gee Whiz (~!~) ~ YouTube can play "BapDada" 'Live' to the whole world but WE ex's get into trouble from da BK's for asking for a written Murli.... doesn't make sense eh?

Very nicely said.

Its like the big dog wants to bite the small dog but we've all heard of how the small dog choked the big dog when it tried to swallow him. Fido rules.

Thanks paul, liked the big dog/small dog analogy. Reminds me of the sentiments expressed by the late Bob Marley in the song Small Axe - Lyrics As you said:

Gee Whiz (~!~) ~ YouTube can play "BapDada" 'Live' to the whole world but WE ex's get into trouble from da BK's for asking for a written Murli ... doesn't make sense eh?

(ps: To listen to the song try Bob Marley - Small Axe).

ex-l wrote:Check out the devotional sanctification going on in the Jewel of Light video; carried on golden thrones, wearing huge golden malas, saintly auras etc. How do we correlate that with the teachings? Fine, it looks like a great and noble life. She walks through a crowd or is carried just like a great sanyasi but where is the unwritten variation on the original theme. It looks like to me they are dancing to a different tune.

"Children say – We should garland Baba. But if you garland him, then your connection of the intellect will be directed towards him. ShivBaba says there is no need for garlands. You only become worshipworthy. It is you only who become worshippers also. You were only worshipworthy and you are only worshippers. So they start worshipping their own pictures. Baba says – Neither do I become worshipworthy, nor do I require flowers etc. Why should I adorn flowers? That is why I never accept flowers or garlands. You become worshipworthy; then you may adorn as many flowers as you wish. I am your most beloved obedient Father also, teacher also, and servant also. When big royal personalities sign below, they write Minto, Curzon, etc ... They never write their name as Lord. Here they write Shri Lakshmi-Narayan, Shri. so and so. They immediately add Shri before their names ... Baba says – neither do I become worshipper nor worshipworthy. That is why neither do I wear garlands, nor do others have to offer me garlands. Then why should we accept flowers. You too cannot accept. As per rules, it is the right of those deities. Their soul and body is pure. It is they alone that are entitled to accept flowers. There in the heaven there are fragrant flowers only." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 28.06.06, pg 2&3 published by BKs)

Can anyone please reproduce the relevant pictures from youtube here (the one with Dadi K and Sister M wearing huge garlands and the one with Dadi K sitting atop a Chariot)???