primal.logic wrote:Some postings have been made re: BK finances in the UK. I have tried to put it altogether so as to demonstrate the deliberate deception employed by BK Seniors in order to gain an illegal financial advantage worth millions of pounds - read: tax fraud. This scam is so stunning it is surreal and just seems to met with disbelief reather than the realisation of the criminality of their actions.
And by whistling blowing here in public rather than make a case to the respective authorities, all you have done is do them a favour, give them time to get their house in order, may be reduce any repercussion by making a disclosure themselves, and give them a chance to escape whatever noose is headed their way ... and you can bet that if Dadi Janki is in the firing line, all you have done it make sure that the BKWSU will keep her hidden away in India or somewhere beyond juristiction!
I cannot imagine a sick 90 year women being tucked away in Holloway Prison ... but if either she, Jayanti or the trustees ended up there, I can imagine that they would just start using it as a service opportunity and come out heroines! Jayanti is intelligent enough to see the point you are making ... will she pick up the phone or pass the buck to the trustees?
To be honest, I am not so sure. You state "criminal", which is a pretty heavy allegation to make, but for something to be "criminal fraud" the police and the Crown Prosecution Service would have to be able to put a case together.
What specific allegations can you make on the basis of your own experience that you could be a witness for? I can just imagine PC Plod sitting there scratching his head thinking ... !?!WTF!?! ... over the obscure theological debate of whether BK-ism is Hinduism or not and whether the BKs are falsely representing the channelled entity called BapDada as God in order to gain financial benefits and services. Would the authorities be interested?
Likewise, without someone coming forward there are no complaintants, no victims and so therefore no crimes. I suppose if the Inland Revenue thought there was enough in it for them they might become involved. But again, someone would have to go and speak to them.
Actually, I also think you missed a key elements, the charity papers also say;
It will be a lot harder for them to show that they have ever done that. That is a fairly outright and disgusting lie ... Oh, "we alleviating poverty by teaching students of the spiritual university virtues and making them give up smoking Biddis and drinking alcohol", I can hear them say as I type! I apologize, it is not a lie after all then.
So, at best, what you may just achieve is for the BKWSU to suddenly start giving money away to cover themselves ... which will not only be good, but quite funny and in a sense prove their guilt. At least there will be some benefit for someone else. Perhaps someone with more specific and detailed information than me, and a legal brain, can look through the act, here, (
Fraud Act 2006) and tell me if it all adds up to "
Fraud by false representation". "
Obtaining services dishonestly" or "
Fraud by abuse of position" might be an easier one to prove and allow an individual to come forward and make a complaint. In Section 4 of the act there is definitely an angle for an individual in a relationship with the organization through their involvement as a charity/voluntary worker where a duty of care in tort could arise.
I would say one thing though, there are a whole load of very intelligent and articulate BKs, such as ex-trustee Neville Hodgkinson, who know about this "abiguity" just fine and have been going along with it as part of the fun. Personally, if I were them I would be feel a little insecure right now. Additionally, at the rank and file level, there are a whole load of well meaning, reasonable people who have been compromised by their devotion, or addiction, to the Seniors and their practises. No wonder they keep the Murlis locked up and hidden from public view.
Another issue we have to consider is cultural. In India, corruption of this sort is not just rife, it is a national past-time!!! In fact, culturally, any potentially criminal aspect of the BKWSU activities would be considered to be so
modest as to be laughable. They would probably be chided for not doing it better! £ 15 Million over 30 years ... hell, that is only £ 1,300 Pounds a day since its conception. Oh, plus the £ 1 Million + a year donations ... OK, it starts to add up then ...
Personally, I do not know enough about all this and the aspect I am interested in is the "psychic or spiritual" misrepresentation. Law of Lands unfortunately don't really come into that equation but I would encourage someone who did know more about all this to go and sort it all out for once and for all. It is easy to talk big to look good but not act.
Looking at the
Serious Fraud Office websiteunder Section 2 notices can be issued to accountants and other professionals who may, "
in the ordinary course of their business, hold information or documents relevant to a suspected fraud". A Section 2 notice obliges them lawfully to provide information and documents. This would then apply to accountant and trustee that stitched up Mr Green.
English Law is wrote:Fraud by false representation
(1) A person is in breach of this section if he- (a) dishonestly makes a false representation, and
(b) intends, by making the representation-(i) to make a gain for himself or another, or
(ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.
(2) A representation is false if-(a) it is untrue or misleading, and
(b) the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.
(3) "Representation" means any representation as to fact or law, including a representation as to the state of mind of-(a) the person making the representation, or
(b) any other person.
(4) A representation may be express or implied.
(5) For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded as made if it (or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any system or device designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without human intervention).