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arjun wrote:Answer: When we achieve constant soul conscious stage then the nature of our energy becomes that of rising upwards.
Shivsena wrote:I feel that 100% soul conscious stage is only during the p. Sangamyug when the soul and Supreme Soul Shiva are in person.
John wrote:In this you are presuming that only in 100% soul consciousness can these procreating tasks be performed, yet, it does not say 100% soul consciousness is needed, just soul consciousness. Maybe it is only when soul reaches 8* pure at end of Tretayug that the power of the soul is not enough to procreate in this way.
Shivsena wrote:The correct Murli point is that "Satyug mein santan yogbal se paidaa hoti hai'' (yogbal by definition means connection of the soul and Supreme Soul; only when this connection is there you receive power from Supreme Soul Shiva for conception; in Satyug this power is not there; there is no Murli which says that procreation can occur through' atmic-bal (soul power) ; So the correct word is yogbal and not soul-consciousness.
First we have to find out what is the reason for our downfall from 16* to 8* ; if we are sou-conscious 100% at the beginning of Satyug then what is the reason for our downfall in 2500 years why are we gradually subconsciously becoming body-conscious? we should not fall at all.
If "procreation through' yogbal in Satyug" means that only the female conceives through' yogbal without any contribution from the male - and this process continues for 2500 years then why does Baba provide us with partners for 20 births in golden and silver ages??
Again, it is said that there will be creation through' ''shreshta-indriya'' in Satyug and not bhrashta-indriya, then which are these shreshta-indriya? Are they the eyes and the mouth? If eyes and mouth are superior organs then why they are not worshipped in Bhakti-marg?
And if only "mukh ka pyar" (kissing) in Satyug will give way to conception; then the question arises that every time a Deity couple kisses, then there should be conception and and a new soul should be born after every kiss. Has anybody given a serious thought to this aspect of creation in Satyug!
Again the child which is born in Satyug will come out from the womb of the mother through' the normal anatomical pathway as it happens in the copper and iron age (except that there will be no labour pain at the time of delivery), then should not the route of conception be also the same? Or is there a different pathway for conception and a different pathway for delivery in Satyug ?
arjun wrote:I agree that Baba has said in the Murlis that delivery of babies would take place through the womb only in case of deities. But as regards the physical aspects of the method of conception, I think you may have to wait for some more time.
arjun wrote:Question: If we say that procreation takes place through the power of Yoga in the Golden Age, then there is no Yoga, i.e. connection between a soul and the Supreme Soul there. So how does the procreation takes place through the power of Yoga?
Answer: Does being in soul conscious stage not mean Yoga? In the Golden Age, children are born through the oral love only. For. E.g. Peacock and Peahen.
Question: Secondly, if procreation is not supposed to take place for 2500 years through the sinful organs, then has the nature provided these organs to be used only after 2500 years?
Answer: The organ which causes the sexual assault will be as good as non-existent.
Question: In the beginning of the Copper Age, who teaches us that the sinful organs are to be used for procreation?
Answer: Ibrahim; the base-like soul of Ibrahim and the seed-like soul of Ibrahim (teaches the use of impure sex-organs for the purpose of procreation)
Question: If the sex-organs are considered to be the sinful organs and the eyes and lips are considered to be the superior organs, then why is Shivling worshipped?
Answer: Is Shivling a reminder of conception?
Question: In order to procreate there should be a connection between the sperm and the ovum. As a doctor, I am unable to understand how the meeting of lips facilitates the travel of sperms from the mouth to the womb to meet the ovum?
Answer: When we achieve constant soul conscious stage then the nature of our energy becomes that of rising upwards.
ex-l wrote:Is the the PBK way of saying the "Chariot" souls that is "possessed" by the "religious founder soul", e.g. like Christ soul posessing the Jesus souls? [This would be a good topic to discuss elsewhere.
ex-l wrote:The idea that peacocks reproduced through their tears is a myth. They do it just like any other bird/mammal. I cannot find a source for the myth or symbolism of "peacock's tears". Perhaps someone else can provide it? So this is not a completely sound answer by Kaliyugi standards.
Students should be aware that there is a difference between a reply and an answer.
It would be better that Shiva Baba just says, "I don't know, I was not there" and Brahma Baba/Veerendra Dev Dixit says, " I don't know"
Arjun wrote:ShivBaba in the Sakar Murlis (through Dada Lekhraj) /clarification Murlis (through Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit) may appear to be unsatisfactory/incomplete, but the complete answers on this topic may take much more time and research.
John wrote:I too have looked into this and as yet come up with nothing ... I was quite interested when I first heard about this, but ... Is this point about peacocks mating actually in Sakar Murli?
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It would be better that Shiva Baba just says, "I don't know, I was not there" and Brahma Baba/Veerendra Dev Dixit says, " I don't know"
Yeah, that would be interesting. Has it ever happened?
John wrote:Arjun Bhai, could you explain or elaborate more, when you say "complete answers will take much more time and research"?
Who will be doing the research?