Dear BK and PBK Brothers,
I am thankful to the administrators for having made this important and controversial subject as a seperate topic "Reproduction in Satyug". I had already made this post on xbkchat site a year ago but since the site was closed for PBKs soon after, we could not have a good discussion about it ; so those who have already read it may kindly ignore it if they wish so.
The Deities of Satyug are soul-conscious and hence naked (not aware that they are bodies); so whenever mother nature wants progeny from the Deity couple, it unites the two bodies in soul-conscious state and conception takes place to produce twins (one son and one daughter). Creation is carried out by mother nature who is the care-taker and provider for the soul-conscious Deities and not willfully by the Deity-couple; now comes the question of union??? how does it occur??? For union to take place, erotism is a prelude without which union cannot take place and the male cell cannot be deposited in the birth canal to meet the female cell; Erotism cannot occur without any form of Lust; So the most important question is whether lust exists in Satyug or not??? Just as the seed of divinity exists in the copper and iron age even though externally the world has turned vicious, i strongly feel that the seed of lust does exist in golden and silver ages even though the world is divine; but lust exists at the minutest subconscious level in the merged state in the soul because for the simple reason, that if there is no seed of lust whatsoever in the souls in the subconscious mind, then how does lust emerge in the souls at the beginning of Copper Age?? It is said that the seed never dies and if seed is non-existent in the sankars of the soul in Satyug then where does the Lust come from when Copper Age starts???
If the readers have seen the chinese symbol of the yin-yang (which i feel represents the world cycle depicted as two halves : white and black ), it would be worth noticing that there are 2 dots in the symbol too : black dot in the white portion and white dot in the black portion. Now what does this signify??? The white portion represents the first half of the world cycle (divinity and +ve sanskars) and the black portion represents the second half of the world cycle (vices and -ve sanskars). The black dot within the white portion signifies that the seed of vices is in the merged state in the first half and the white dot in the black portion means that the seed of divinity exists in the merged state even though the souls start becoming vicious from the beginning of Copper Age. So co-relating from Godly knowledge and worldly knowledge, we now know that sanskars whether divine or vicious are all eternally imprinted in the soul and they just merge and emerge as per the time of Drama.
So to summarise : procreation in Satyug is through' union of sex-organs but without conscious-lust (union occurs in soul-conscious state); whereas in copper and iron ages too procreation is through' union of sex organs (but in body conscious state); there is willful indulgence and hence lust and pleasure comes into the picture; so the difference is only in the level of consciousness.
Again this corroborates well with what Baba says in Murlis : ''satyug-treta mein tumare karm akarm ban jaate hai aur dwapur-kaliyug mein tumare karm vikarma ban jaate hain''. (all actions become neutral in Satyug and all actions become vicious in iron age); the actions remain the same but because of the soul-conscious state in Satyug they become neutral and so karmic account do not accumulate ie no bondage; while because of body-consciousness in iron age all karma becomes vicious and so the karmic accounts are opened and carried forward in the births to come.
Points to ponder :
Just as in science, the -ve pole attracts the +ve pole and electricity is produced ; similarly 'beauty' and ''power to attract'' is inborn in a female body and ''Lust and erotism'' is inborn in a male body and these 2 opposite forces of Nature attract each other at the sub-conscious and conscious level thruout the 5000 years cycle and are responsible for propagation of the human race.
In Satyug these 2 forces act at the minutest sub-conscious level (Murli point : Krishna ki dhristi Radha mein aur radhe ki dhristi Krishna mein; meaning that both radhe and Krishna are attracted to each other); at the physical level it is pure love but at the subtle level there is minute body consciousness as it has been said in Murlis that from 1st day onwards in Satyug the soul starts becoming body-conscious; body consciousness starts in Satyug from 0.00001% to almost 100% till the end of iron age but never disappears from the 5000 year drama, just as divinity never disappears from this 5000 years drama; even at the end of Kaliyug it remains as a spark in the soul which is re-kindled by the Godly knowledge of Supreme Soul Shiva.
Proof that erotism without lust is possible:
Have you ever observed that a male infant and child has erotism without lust when suckling the mother's breast even though the child has not known lust externally. Also every male once he attains puberty often experiences early morning erection in sleep even though there are no conscious sexual thoughts in the mind; all this just proves that the seed of lust is inborn in a male body and it only moves from the sub-conscious level to the conscious level in the 5000 years drama.
It has been said in Bhagwat Gita : He who sees "action in inaction and inaction in action" only sees; this co-relates well with what Baba says in Murlis "Dekhte hue nahin dekhna aur karte hue nahin karna". In Satyug even though there is action (union of sex organs) the soul does not experience pleasure and so action becomes inaction (neutral karma); and in iron age even though a person does not indulge in physical act of union but has sexual thoughts roaming in his mind, then he is still in action even though externally he is not in action. So those who regard sexual union as taboo (sin), but do not see the motive behind it, really do not see as they are not seeing the act by the third eye of knowledge. So sexual-union is sacred when performed in soul-conscious state, for the sole purpose of creation, while sexual union is sin when performed for pleasure.
Now last but not the least, the concept of creation through' "shreshta-indriya" and bhrashta-indriya"; these terms are applied to the same sex-organs and not to different organs(eyes and mouth); the sex -organs become 'shreshta' when used sub-consciously solely for procreation and when they are used for pleasure they are known as 'bhrashta' indriya; the organs by themselves are neither 'shreshta' nor 'bhrashta' but the purpose behind the act decides whether the organs are good or bad which co-relates well with the saying "nothing in the world is good or bad, but it is our thoughts which make it so."
Proof : the shivling which represents the pure union between the male and the female is worshipped in India and the erect phallus (ling) without lust is also revered all through'out the world. Finally Baba has always mentioned that 'sex-lust' is a vice and the children have to overcome it. Has Baba ever mentioned that 'sex' is a vice?? if it was so, then the two sexes would not have been created in the first place; God and Mother Nature would have created only unisexual beings!!!!!!!
Mis-interpretation of Baba's words : ''Procreation in Satyug occurs through' yogbal".
Since these are the words of the Supreme Soul Shiva in the Murlis, these words cannot be wrong but they can be wrongly interpreted by the BKs and PBKs. Baba says : "behad ka bap behad ke bacchon se behad ki baat karte hain aur bacche hadh mein chale jaate hain" (the unlimited Father talks about unlimited things to his unlimited children but the children take it in the limited sense); all BKs and most PBKs take the literal meaning of Baba's words and hence most of Baba's mahavakyas are mis-interpreted.
When Baba says that ''Procreation in Satyug occurs through' yogbal", we have to understand which Satyug He is talking about ?? hadh ka Satyug or behad ka Satyug?? and co-relate this with other Murli points. Baba often mentions about 2 dramas in Murlis : "woh hai hadh ka drama aur yeh hai behad ka drama" (that is limited drama of 5000 years and this is unlimited drama ie. Sangamyugi drama); the 5000 years drama is the broad drama and this shooting period of Sangamyug is the subtle unlimited drama.
Since Baba has come in Sangamyug, He mostly talks about the Sangamyugi Satyug which is going to start in the near future when the pure souls of vijaymala (now hidden in the BKs) will recognise ShivBaba as their pati-husband and come running from the palaces of BKs to establish Vaikunth in Delhi; these pure vijaymala souls are the real sajnis of ShivBaba and only they have the power to establish Vaikunth (Sangamyugi swarg) where they will dance with their pati-parmeshwar and experience ati-indriya sukh and through' 'yogbal' they will receive the seed of the first generation of Golden Age souls like Radha and Krishna (Child Krishna will never be born by bodily contact); so the word 'yogbal' applies only to Sangamyugi swarg when both ShivBaba and his sajni souls are present and not to satyugi swarg where ShivBaba is absent.
Only the first generation of Satyug (41/2 lac) souls will be born to the 41/2 lac souls of the Advance Party who will change their bodies by yogbal (intellectual union with ShivBaba) and since God (ShivBaba) changes the bodies of these 4 1/2 lac souls of Advance Party and sows the seeds of the first generation of Satyug in the womb of vijaymala souls, He is known as Creator-Father. Many will argue that how does God plant the seed in the womb of vijaymala souls???? the answer is very simple : when God can change the impure patit body to a pure divine body by the power of Yoga, then why cannot He plant the seed of the first generation of Golden Age in the womb of the vijaymala souls; this power is exclusively vested in ShivBaba as per the drama and this is known as '' supreme power of Yoga" (yogbal); The union between the pure souls in Satyug from 2037 onwards cannot be called 'yogbal' ; it is connection between two souls and can be called 'soul power', and in iron age the connection between two bodies is called the ''power of the flesh".
The above views are the culmination of intense churning and extensive research of Murli points done over the last 10 years by an inquisitive mind which was not satisfied by anything but a scientific and rational explanation of the way how things exist in this universe and to understand the complexities of man-woman relationship in totality. Baba says that ''budhiman aadmi bina proof aur praman ke koi bhi baat nahin mante''. [Meaning that intellectual souls will not accept anything at face value but need proof and logical explanation to understand and accept].
Sakar ShivBaba was recognised by PBKs only when their third eye was opened by Advanced Knowledge; so also Baba's mahavakyas- words are not to be accepted at face value but are to be churned very deeply to understand their deep meaning. Baba's words are priceless jewels of knowledge worth crores (is it in terms of money!!) and most of the souls will not be able to understand what is their real meaning; only a few handful will understand what they really mean; that is why it has been said in Murlis "Mein jo hun, jaisa hun, jis roop se part bajaa raha hun, mujhe koi birla hi pechan sakta hai", (meaning that how I play the part of Bap-teacher-satguru only one soul in a crore can really understand) ; just as an artist can be known only by understanding his work of art; so also ShivBaba can be understood only if we understand His mahavakyas in Murlis.
Just recognising ShivBaba in person is not enough to enter the rosary beads of 108 and become a king; one has to understand fully The Knowledge given by ShivBaba and knowledge has been given in the form of Murli mahavakyas and in order to understand The Knowledge one has to churn on various Murli points intensely and co-relate them with other Murli points and comparing the Godly knowledge with Bhakti-marg and then only one gets nearer to the truth; as it has been said that "Gyan is source of income" and Gyan means understanding of the Murli points; just repeating the Murli points verbatim (word to word) without understanding is just like eating without digesting and assimilating; the BKs read and repeat the Murli points like a parrot in the class without understanding the deep meaning therein - and if we PBKs also quote the Murlis without understanding then what is the difference; is it not our duty to churn and share views on a particular point or a particular topic (giving proofs from Murlis and logical reasoning) and then only in the end when the time comes, Baba will verify and give marks accordingly to make the rudramala souls numberwise; since it has been mentioned in the Murlis that every soul is ''numberwar purusharth anusar''; so also the gems of knowledge will be understood numberwise by the BKs and PBKs.
ok----om shanti
Readers views, comments and criticism are eagerly awaited.
shivsena.
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I am thankful to the administrators for having made this important and controversial subject as a seperate topic "Reproduction in Satyug". I had already made this post on xbkchat site a year ago but since the site was closed for PBKs soon after, we could not have a good discussion about it ; so those who have already read it may kindly ignore it if they wish so.
- My churning and views on "Reproduction in Satyug.".
The Deities of Satyug are soul-conscious and hence naked (not aware that they are bodies); so whenever mother nature wants progeny from the Deity couple, it unites the two bodies in soul-conscious state and conception takes place to produce twins (one son and one daughter). Creation is carried out by mother nature who is the care-taker and provider for the soul-conscious Deities and not willfully by the Deity-couple; now comes the question of union??? how does it occur??? For union to take place, erotism is a prelude without which union cannot take place and the male cell cannot be deposited in the birth canal to meet the female cell; Erotism cannot occur without any form of Lust; So the most important question is whether lust exists in Satyug or not??? Just as the seed of divinity exists in the copper and iron age even though externally the world has turned vicious, i strongly feel that the seed of lust does exist in golden and silver ages even though the world is divine; but lust exists at the minutest subconscious level in the merged state in the soul because for the simple reason, that if there is no seed of lust whatsoever in the souls in the subconscious mind, then how does lust emerge in the souls at the beginning of Copper Age?? It is said that the seed never dies and if seed is non-existent in the sankars of the soul in Satyug then where does the Lust come from when Copper Age starts???
If the readers have seen the chinese symbol of the yin-yang (which i feel represents the world cycle depicted as two halves : white and black ), it would be worth noticing that there are 2 dots in the symbol too : black dot in the white portion and white dot in the black portion. Now what does this signify??? The white portion represents the first half of the world cycle (divinity and +ve sanskars) and the black portion represents the second half of the world cycle (vices and -ve sanskars). The black dot within the white portion signifies that the seed of vices is in the merged state in the first half and the white dot in the black portion means that the seed of divinity exists in the merged state even though the souls start becoming vicious from the beginning of Copper Age. So co-relating from Godly knowledge and worldly knowledge, we now know that sanskars whether divine or vicious are all eternally imprinted in the soul and they just merge and emerge as per the time of Drama.
- From medical and scientific knowledge we know that,
Without lust - erotism is not possible,
Without erotism - union is not possible,
Without union - conception is not possible,
and without conception - birth of a new individual is just impossible.
So to summarise : procreation in Satyug is through' union of sex-organs but without conscious-lust (union occurs in soul-conscious state); whereas in copper and iron ages too procreation is through' union of sex organs (but in body conscious state); there is willful indulgence and hence lust and pleasure comes into the picture; so the difference is only in the level of consciousness.
Again this corroborates well with what Baba says in Murlis : ''satyug-treta mein tumare karm akarm ban jaate hai aur dwapur-kaliyug mein tumare karm vikarma ban jaate hain''. (all actions become neutral in Satyug and all actions become vicious in iron age); the actions remain the same but because of the soul-conscious state in Satyug they become neutral and so karmic account do not accumulate ie no bondage; while because of body-consciousness in iron age all karma becomes vicious and so the karmic accounts are opened and carried forward in the births to come.
Points to ponder :
Just as in science, the -ve pole attracts the +ve pole and electricity is produced ; similarly 'beauty' and ''power to attract'' is inborn in a female body and ''Lust and erotism'' is inborn in a male body and these 2 opposite forces of Nature attract each other at the sub-conscious and conscious level thruout the 5000 years cycle and are responsible for propagation of the human race.
In Satyug these 2 forces act at the minutest sub-conscious level (Murli point : Krishna ki dhristi Radha mein aur radhe ki dhristi Krishna mein; meaning that both radhe and Krishna are attracted to each other); at the physical level it is pure love but at the subtle level there is minute body consciousness as it has been said in Murlis that from 1st day onwards in Satyug the soul starts becoming body-conscious; body consciousness starts in Satyug from 0.00001% to almost 100% till the end of iron age but never disappears from the 5000 year drama, just as divinity never disappears from this 5000 years drama; even at the end of Kaliyug it remains as a spark in the soul which is re-kindled by the Godly knowledge of Supreme Soul Shiva.
Proof that erotism without lust is possible:
Have you ever observed that a male infant and child has erotism without lust when suckling the mother's breast even though the child has not known lust externally. Also every male once he attains puberty often experiences early morning erection in sleep even though there are no conscious sexual thoughts in the mind; all this just proves that the seed of lust is inborn in a male body and it only moves from the sub-conscious level to the conscious level in the 5000 years drama.
It has been said in Bhagwat Gita : He who sees "action in inaction and inaction in action" only sees; this co-relates well with what Baba says in Murlis "Dekhte hue nahin dekhna aur karte hue nahin karna". In Satyug even though there is action (union of sex organs) the soul does not experience pleasure and so action becomes inaction (neutral karma); and in iron age even though a person does not indulge in physical act of union but has sexual thoughts roaming in his mind, then he is still in action even though externally he is not in action. So those who regard sexual union as taboo (sin), but do not see the motive behind it, really do not see as they are not seeing the act by the third eye of knowledge. So sexual-union is sacred when performed in soul-conscious state, for the sole purpose of creation, while sexual union is sin when performed for pleasure.
Now last but not the least, the concept of creation through' "shreshta-indriya" and bhrashta-indriya"; these terms are applied to the same sex-organs and not to different organs(eyes and mouth); the sex -organs become 'shreshta' when used sub-consciously solely for procreation and when they are used for pleasure they are known as 'bhrashta' indriya; the organs by themselves are neither 'shreshta' nor 'bhrashta' but the purpose behind the act decides whether the organs are good or bad which co-relates well with the saying "nothing in the world is good or bad, but it is our thoughts which make it so."
Proof : the shivling which represents the pure union between the male and the female is worshipped in India and the erect phallus (ling) without lust is also revered all through'out the world. Finally Baba has always mentioned that 'sex-lust' is a vice and the children have to overcome it. Has Baba ever mentioned that 'sex' is a vice?? if it was so, then the two sexes would not have been created in the first place; God and Mother Nature would have created only unisexual beings!!!!!!!
Mis-interpretation of Baba's words : ''Procreation in Satyug occurs through' yogbal".
Since these are the words of the Supreme Soul Shiva in the Murlis, these words cannot be wrong but they can be wrongly interpreted by the BKs and PBKs. Baba says : "behad ka bap behad ke bacchon se behad ki baat karte hain aur bacche hadh mein chale jaate hain" (the unlimited Father talks about unlimited things to his unlimited children but the children take it in the limited sense); all BKs and most PBKs take the literal meaning of Baba's words and hence most of Baba's mahavakyas are mis-interpreted.
When Baba says that ''Procreation in Satyug occurs through' yogbal", we have to understand which Satyug He is talking about ?? hadh ka Satyug or behad ka Satyug?? and co-relate this with other Murli points. Baba often mentions about 2 dramas in Murlis : "woh hai hadh ka drama aur yeh hai behad ka drama" (that is limited drama of 5000 years and this is unlimited drama ie. Sangamyugi drama); the 5000 years drama is the broad drama and this shooting period of Sangamyug is the subtle unlimited drama.
Since Baba has come in Sangamyug, He mostly talks about the Sangamyugi Satyug which is going to start in the near future when the pure souls of vijaymala (now hidden in the BKs) will recognise ShivBaba as their pati-husband and come running from the palaces of BKs to establish Vaikunth in Delhi; these pure vijaymala souls are the real sajnis of ShivBaba and only they have the power to establish Vaikunth (Sangamyugi swarg) where they will dance with their pati-parmeshwar and experience ati-indriya sukh and through' 'yogbal' they will receive the seed of the first generation of Golden Age souls like Radha and Krishna (Child Krishna will never be born by bodily contact); so the word 'yogbal' applies only to Sangamyugi swarg when both ShivBaba and his sajni souls are present and not to satyugi swarg where ShivBaba is absent.
Only the first generation of Satyug (41/2 lac) souls will be born to the 41/2 lac souls of the Advance Party who will change their bodies by yogbal (intellectual union with ShivBaba) and since God (ShivBaba) changes the bodies of these 4 1/2 lac souls of Advance Party and sows the seeds of the first generation of Satyug in the womb of vijaymala souls, He is known as Creator-Father. Many will argue that how does God plant the seed in the womb of vijaymala souls???? the answer is very simple : when God can change the impure patit body to a pure divine body by the power of Yoga, then why cannot He plant the seed of the first generation of Golden Age in the womb of the vijaymala souls; this power is exclusively vested in ShivBaba as per the drama and this is known as '' supreme power of Yoga" (yogbal); The union between the pure souls in Satyug from 2037 onwards cannot be called 'yogbal' ; it is connection between two souls and can be called 'soul power', and in iron age the connection between two bodies is called the ''power of the flesh".
The above views are the culmination of intense churning and extensive research of Murli points done over the last 10 years by an inquisitive mind which was not satisfied by anything but a scientific and rational explanation of the way how things exist in this universe and to understand the complexities of man-woman relationship in totality. Baba says that ''budhiman aadmi bina proof aur praman ke koi bhi baat nahin mante''. [Meaning that intellectual souls will not accept anything at face value but need proof and logical explanation to understand and accept].
Sakar ShivBaba was recognised by PBKs only when their third eye was opened by Advanced Knowledge; so also Baba's mahavakyas- words are not to be accepted at face value but are to be churned very deeply to understand their deep meaning. Baba's words are priceless jewels of knowledge worth crores (is it in terms of money!!) and most of the souls will not be able to understand what is their real meaning; only a few handful will understand what they really mean; that is why it has been said in Murlis "Mein jo hun, jaisa hun, jis roop se part bajaa raha hun, mujhe koi birla hi pechan sakta hai", (meaning that how I play the part of Bap-teacher-satguru only one soul in a crore can really understand) ; just as an artist can be known only by understanding his work of art; so also ShivBaba can be understood only if we understand His mahavakyas in Murlis.
Just recognising ShivBaba in person is not enough to enter the rosary beads of 108 and become a king; one has to understand fully The Knowledge given by ShivBaba and knowledge has been given in the form of Murli mahavakyas and in order to understand The Knowledge one has to churn on various Murli points intensely and co-relate them with other Murli points and comparing the Godly knowledge with Bhakti-marg and then only one gets nearer to the truth; as it has been said that "Gyan is source of income" and Gyan means understanding of the Murli points; just repeating the Murli points verbatim (word to word) without understanding is just like eating without digesting and assimilating; the BKs read and repeat the Murli points like a parrot in the class without understanding the deep meaning therein - and if we PBKs also quote the Murlis without understanding then what is the difference; is it not our duty to churn and share views on a particular point or a particular topic (giving proofs from Murlis and logical reasoning) and then only in the end when the time comes, Baba will verify and give marks accordingly to make the rudramala souls numberwise; since it has been mentioned in the Murlis that every soul is ''numberwar purusharth anusar''; so also the gems of knowledge will be understood numberwise by the BKs and PBKs.
ok----om shanti
Readers views, comments and criticism are eagerly awaited.
shivsena.
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