shivsena wrote:ex-l wrote:I was once told by a BK teacher that the deities did not even have sex organs. That those organs only came later.
This is the first time I have heard such a thing; whatever the BK teachers told us has to be taken with a pinch of salt; I think things have to be understood only by logic and common sense with support of Murli points.
This is something we have discussed before here. I agree on the salt. I think this particular BK teacher was slightly mad but typical of the old ladies. Actually, their logic went further to the point where the deities did not have excretory glands between their legs. Their theory was that the Golden Aged deities were so perfect, food, so perfect, diet so perfect; there was no waste to produce at the other end. I guess it could be true, skin is an excretory gland. Perhaps it could have dealt with the body waste.
And have you seen the BKWSU videos on the internet where baby Krishna just pops out off space and onto the grass fully formed and dressed already? There you have the institutional point of view. Not my own. Personally, I lean towards the mystical point of view, that the world and bodies would have been etheric in nature. Basically existence almost without matter. Otherwise, how can you cope with the need of biological and breakdown waste systems; cell death, fermentation, gas, decay, bugs, worms, droppings etc.
ex-l wrote: An interesting proposal from a biological point of view, is there a chance that the deities could have been hermaphrodites capable of asexual reproduction and that ony need triggering off by a strong love or affection for another individual? We should have an alternative evolutionary theory ... Likewise, body conscious came first and then sex later. But it must have been almost immediately later if procreation was to start for further generations.
I state "theory" out of politeness so as not to push a point of view. The basic knowledge was taught to simple, uneducated girls and old ladies. It is not so metaphoric, more just kindergarten fairy tales and very Hindu-centric - which heaven will not be.
shivsena wrote:It is only through sex-organs that human beings identify their bodies; if body-conscious came first and then sex, then how come they identified their bodies as male and female in the first place?
Doesn't the list of vices go; ego ... lust ... anger ... hatred ... greed? Actually, I cannot remember the order of the last three and of the female vices right now, but I am sure that ego was first and then lust came second. I'd like to be reminded of the 5 male and 5 female vices int he right order.
In my opinion, there would have to have been an awareness of separation and differentiation first and then the seeking of oneness again by a physical expression afterwards. When that failed to find the fullness and oneness again, the searching for God would start. If there was no separation due to a concept of a limited self, ego, there would have been no draw toward union of opposites. As the battery of soul consciousness runs down it reaches a level where it become trapped in the experience and identification of the body. I do not believe that a soul-conscious deity having sex caused a rupture that brought it down into body-consciousness, although I do see that an aspiring Brahmin doing the same might cause such a rupture that brings them back down.
An "organ of love" in the mouth ... do you mean like a mouth organ? In the Golden Age we have Oral Impregnation; in the Iron Age we have Oral Contraception. We know that some birds or animals do a similar thing even now and so it could be possible ... Does that mean the baby still gestates in a mother's women and the mother produces an afterbirth? How oes the seed get from the mouth to the womb? I think I remember BB/Lekhraj Kirpalani talk about "swan's tears" as swans were believed to swop genes via tears until biologist discovered specialist ducts. But do we know if this is real, metaphoric, or if if was the old man Brahma just trying to keep the closeted young girls from thinking about sex and relationships by telling fairy stories?!?
BUT ... I think you are right here to think deeply about the Silver to Copper Aged confluence if what we are attempting is its reverse. It must have been a very interesting time. Do you buy into the Dinosaurs existing and transmuting 2,500 years ago too?