AUM Shanti.
pilatus wrote: What seems to anger most people who have been committed BK's is the lack of open and honest discussion in the BK world about the editing and revision of documents which are portrayed as sacred.
Yes, I admit. Few years back I too was very frustrated. I was staying in one of the big BK centre in the year 1992 and used to go for few days to my home and come back. One such time in January 1993, when I had gone home, I came to know about Kampil and about The Knowledge given there. And then I went to Kampil for first time, and after coming back I asked to Brothers in that big BK centre about this knowledge and what is their (BKs) clarifiation to this. One of the Brother said bad words and asked me to leave. So I came back home. Even in this place, BKs did not allow me to attend classes. Once the centre-in-charge herself stood at the door stopping me. I returned and later left trying to go there.
At times I used to be so frustrated that I used to think of lodging police complaint or going to court against BKs for refusing to give the versions of The GodFatherly knowledge. But I left those thoughts because when Avyakt BaapDada is silent over this issue then, why should I do? I used to get angry on Brahma Baba for this. But now I am understanding the reasons behind it. I do not want to write all that now.
tom wrote:Sanjeev, See how much you have been tolerated in this forum by all of us and by the Admin. If I would be Admin. I would have say to you long ago bye bye.
There are BKs of such mentality in BKWSU also and they are bringing bad reputation to it.
arjun wrote:The first thing is how can you compare editing/manipulation of Murlis, which are words of God by human beings to the editing of words of human beings by fellow human beings? Do you think God is so degraded that His words can be changed/cut by any human being (that too an imperfect one)? ... As regards deleting anybody's posts/thread is concerned, it is done very rarely, when it is observed that it has been done in a bad taste, or is against the rules of the forum/society.
The important thing is not that what is being edited or manipulated or deleted but the thing is that who is editing and manipulating or deleting. Obviously GodFather will not do such things. Only humans do. Why does humans on forum retain right to edit and delete, because they fear that as the forum is open to all some mischieveous people may cause some problem or that if some things come up to which they cannot answer then they want to protect themselves by editing and deleting such things.
This is the reason for retaining this right and BKWSU people too have tried to do this. Because they too want to run their organisation swiftly without any problems. But I do not think that BKs have done much edition because even now we can see such points in Murlis which are difficult to answer and which were raised by PBKs. In Murli Khand 1 published by AIVV there are xerox copies of latest Murlis in which many important points are marked.
arjun wrote:The second thing is the objective of editing. The BKs have been editing/manipulating Murlis basically to stop the progress of PBKs and to prevent their own followers or the people of the world to know the actual truth hidden in the Murlis,
I think this allegation is false. Shivsena has original Murlis of many years I believe. Has he been able to understand and explain them correctly? PBKs have been hearing Murli's and even their explanations by Virendra Dev Dixit but have they understood the actual Truth hidden in the Murlis? It is said in Murlis that while reading or hearing Murli sit in soul consciousness. And only then you will understand. But, are we trying to become soul conscious? Knowledge is a means for transformation not the end.
arjun wrote: You praise the BKWSU so much, but go and try to criticize them on their forum even once and you will know what their true colours are.
I know their true colour and their policy. They just want people to inculcate Virtues and they just want people to understand that now the time has come to become pure and GodFather has come to make us Pure. They believe that becoming soul conscious is the key to peace and bliss and they know how to practice it. And they have Avyakt Baap Dada to guide them. They have faith in Him and also in their heads who run the organisation. Regarding the Corporeal form of The GodFather, they are not bothered. Because anyway they have Avyakt Baap Dada as guide. If Virendra Dev Dixit is The GodFather then He should be knowing the reasons for this. And surely only GodFather has power to change.
arjun wrote: In fact, I would like the BK members of this forum to kindly tell us if they believe sachkhand to be the reincarnation of the founding Father of their institution, i.e. Brahma Baba.
In fact, if I Am actually what I claim then I also have the capacity to play my part. Do I need anyone to vindicate my part? Whoever is The Mukarrar Rath or The Corporeal GodFather, He has the capacity and knowledge to bring transformation. It is not He who will be benefitted but other human souls will be benefitted by understanding Him. And how is it possible? By becoming soul conscious.
Murli dt: 19-4-85, page 2: "It is not that (people) do not know only Supreme Soul. Even do not know soul. If (people) understand soul then will immediately understand Supreme Soul. Child knows oneself and does not know Father then how is it possible".
arjun wrote: You declare yourself to be Prajapita (Father of the mankind). But you do not even have the basic manners of treating others as human beings (leave alone seeing others as souls) and continue to address the members of this forum as 'you people' in a denigrating manner in every post. Leave alone being the Chariot of Shiva, you are not even a shadow of the great personality, whose self-appointed reincarnation you declare yourself to be.
My Brother had raised this issue (words made bold) many times while watching Hindi news on TV. Just three days back we talked about this. You must have heard in Hindi news how they address even many important people by just their names without any manners, for example they say Baba Ramdev ne aise kaha, they will not say Ramdevji ne. So my Brother said that even these Hindi news people are following the style of English where they say Baba Ramdev said so.
Anyway, in Hindi we can say 'aap log' instead of 'tum log', will you please tell me any equivalent in English for saying 'aap log' of Hindi. Sorry, I hear English news of our channels and I know just this much, I do not know Royal family English which might be very sophisticated (gouravanvit English bhasha). And also remember that just language does not make or decide anyone's personality. But surely you are correct that I am not even a shadow of the great personality, because my mother also says that I argue too much and am stubborn. Might be so. Even my Brother complains about my language because I have a habit of saying mangya (monkey) when I am discontented by someone or when I get angry on someone.
Thanks.
Sanjeev.