howiemac wrote: I see the term "trance messenger", as used by the BKs, as an official role that is accepted within the BK systems. But a great many BKs will have visited the Subtle Regions and will certainly not be called trance messengers. I have been lucky enough to have had this experience myself - but cannot do it at will - but I bet there are those who can go to the Subtle Regions at will, but who are not recognised by the BKs as trance messengers.
The whole thing is so unverifiable that it has been stamped on within the BK power hierarchy to avoid abuse - people were pretending to have visited the Subtle Regions and were inventing bogus messages.
OK let me just recap - going to the Subtle Regions at will and having some encounter with Brahma Baba is called 'trance messaging'. Numerous people can do this but only a few are recognised with the official title 'Trance Messenger'. This trance messaging may or may not involve receiving a spoken message from Brahma Baba. For example on the 'Is this true about Dadiji?' thread today it was said -
sparkal wrote:Baba has said to give her what she wants, play along kind of thing.
So I suppose that this message was received via one of the Trance Messengers. In other words does receiving a message from Brahma Baba involve the recipient going to the Subtle Regions or do people get messages from Brahma Baba in informal situations, just while walking along the road or whatever? Also sorry if I have missed this but does the Avyakt Vani involve DG going to the Subtle Regions or does BapDada come down from above?