What is Shrimat and What is Murli ??

If you have no answer, please keep quiet. You can also find the same defination in the book 'Advance Course' which is OFFICIALLY published by AIVV. And that's all.

No, no, Brother. See, forget what is written. What is Shrimat is important to know. How it is written in the mind, how do we understand? In the BK, they think that the Murli is the Murli, but whatever Dadi says is Shrimat that is higher than the Murli.

If there is contradiction, then whatever Dadi says is Shrimat. They also give personal advice to people that are considered Shrimat. We believe that Shrimat is only words of the Supreme Soul, his advice, personal advice and talk is also called Murli and Shrimat. Then, of course, whatever we believe ShivBaba says through his present Chariot will be Shrimat. No matter what is written officially. If you ask anyone then he will be able to say whether the clarifications through Virendra Dev Dixit are considered Shrimat or not, and will say the same thing that, "yes, they are considered Shrimat?"

What do you try to prove?

Then freeze that website & stop publishing Advance Literature where this wrong (!) definition of Shrimat is given. Then this means that this website & Advance Literature is misguiding PBKs.

Let's have a look over the analogy between Godly Knowledge & information technology.

In the language of information technology, we can say that output results of computerised processes are hidden in the input data. Thus the output result is nothing more than the new revised version of input data. When input data is analysed, interpreted & processed, it is converted into output.

Like the same way, Murlis & Avyakt Vanis are like database (source of information) for Godly study of all cults of BKWSU. Murlis & Avyakt Vanis are like input data (information) in which output results (knowledge in the form of Shrimat) is hidden. When the Father of humanity comes, he analyses, interprets & clarifies Murlis & Avyakt Vanis. And through this clarification Murlis & Avyakt Vanis get converted into Shrimat (Sone kee Murli - Golden Murli). Thus this clarification of Murlis & Avyakt Vanis (Godly knowledge - Shrimat - Sone kee Murli) is nothing more than the revised, processed & new version of Murlis & Avyakt Vanis. Thus Shrimat is hidden in Murlis & Avyakt Vanis.

Arjunbhai, like andrey also you are tring to discuss on unconcerned topic. Whether the clarifications through Veerendra Dev Dixit are/aren't Shrimat - is not our discussion topic. Please concentrate on this definition. Clearly this definition - especially the word 'only' - goes against the idea that these clarifications are Shrimat. Exactly this is the central point of our discussion.

Actually, Murlis refer to the versions spoken by incorporeal Supreme Father through his corporeal medium, i.e. Prajapita Brahma. You may consider only Dada Lekhraj to be Prajapita Brahma/corporeal Chariot and hence for you Murlis are restricted to the versions spoken through Dada Lekhraj, but for me and many other PBKs, Murlis mean the versions spoken by Shiv through Baba Virendra Dev Dixit also.

Regards,
OGS,
Arjun

Thanks Arjunbhai. Advanced Knowledge accepts the clarifications of Murlis & Avyakt Vanis through Baba Virendra Dev Dixit (Virendra Dev Dixit) as Shrimat. Now there are 3 souls in Virendra Dev Dixit - that of Shiva, Ram & Krishna. Thus the clarification may be the combination of the statements of all these 3 souls. No question about statements of Shiva & Ram as Shrimat, but what about Krishna's statements through Virendra Dev Dixit? Are they also Shrimat??

Suppose that the soul of Krishna interferes in the clarification through Virendra Dev Dixit. Then can we call his statements Shrimat? If the answer is NO, then we have to accept that all clarifications through Virendra Dev Dixit are not Shrimat. Respected Arjunbhai, you have to again refine the definition of Shrimat as "Shrimat includes Murlis & Avyakt Vanis through the mouth of Brahma & their clarification through Virendra Dev Dixit - excluding the statements of soul of Krishna in that clarifications". Thus every word in cassettes & CDs of Virendra Dev Dixit is not Shrimat due to Krishna's interference). Then how can we differeniate which statements in clarifications are uttered by Shiv or Ram or Krishna? And why soul of Ram does not consult Krishna to be quiet?

Suppose Krishna's statements are also Shrimat, then can PBKs accept this? Baba also says in personal meetings that the contradictory statements in CDs & cassettes are due to interference of soul of Krishna. Now suppose that Krishna doesn't interfere in the clarifications. Is there any proof (through Murli points) to prove this?

So what's the defination of Shrimat? Can we call every statement in clarifications through Virendra Dev Dixit as Shrimat? Can we also call Krishna's statements in that clarifications as Shrimat?

So what's the defination of Shrimat? Can we call every statement in clarifications through Veerendra Dev Dixit as Shrimat? Can we also call Krishna's statements in that clarifications as Shrimat?

Omshanti. Yes, every statement uttered by ShivBaba (through Baba Virendra Dev Dixit), including the words spoken by the soul of Krishna, is Shrimat for all those PBKs who believe that Father Shiv is playing a role through him.

As regards the words of the soul of Krishna, spoken in between the words of ShivBaba it has been said in the Murlis that even if Brahma interferes, it is ShivBaba who is responsible for his words also. A relevant Murli point is produced below for reference:

“Baap ka vafaadaar, aagyakaari banana koi maasi ka ghar nahee hai. Baap aur Dada dono ikatthey hain na. Samajh nahee saktey hain yah kaun hai? Tab Shvibaba kahtey hain meri aagya ko bhi samajh nahee saktey hain. Ulta kahein ya sultaa, tum samjho ShivBaba kahtey hain toh responsible vah ho jaayega. Inkay kahney say kuch nuksaan hua toh bhi vah responsible honay say, vah sab theek kar dega. ShivBaba ka hee samajhtey raho toh tumhaari unnati bahut hogi. Parantu mushkil samajhtey hain. Koi fir apni mat par chaltey rahtey hain. Baap kitna door say aatey hain tum bachhon ko direction deney, samjhaaney. Aur koi paas toh yah spiritual knowledge hai nahee.” (BKs dwara prakaashit Revised Sakar Murli taareekh 17.12.05, page 2)

"Becoming loyal, obedient to Father is not as easy as visiting a maternal aunt's house (maasi ka ghar). Both Baap and Dada are together, is not it? Children cannot understand who is he? So ShivBaba says that children cannot understand my order also. Whether he says incorrect (ulta) or correct (sulta), you think that it is ShivBaba who is speaking; then He will become responsible. Even if a little harm (or loss) is caused by his words, even then, due to Him being responsible, He will set everything right. If you keep considering the directions to be of ShivBaba only, then you will progress a lot. But children hardly think so. Some children then keep following their own opinion. Father comes from such a far place to give directions to you children and to explain. Nobody else possesses this spiritual knowledge." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 17.12.05, page 2 published by BKs)

Regards,
OGS,
Arjun

It is said in the Murli that we have to always consider ShivBaba speaking. If we discriminate, this is a sign of a monkey. Some small or big tail will remain, and we have to remove all tails.

It is also said that whatever happens through them (Ram, Krishna) I am (Supreme Soul Shiva) responsible.