XBK Chat (unofficial archive)

frage · Guest

Hello! Have read the comments and wonder why some of those who wrote in adopted such a passive attitude when their questions put to the Snrs in the BK organisation was either shelved or insinuatingly made to let the questionaire feel 'wrong' implies that the Snr. was put in a spot.

The BK organisation is a spiritual university - and one asks questions. If answers were not forthcoming then the Snrs. don't know the answers. First and foremost, the responsibility is to oneself. Why abdicate that?

Whichever spiritual organisation exists (they sprout like mushrooms) anyone who attends their public programmes or their venue of operation, first and foremost test and see if their words belie their actions. Very often one can detect the arrogance, the 'holier than thou' attitude - scratch the veneer and the true picture emerges.

I have attended a couple of public programmes organised by the BKs. It involved a Buddhist Rev. too. There was no power when the BKs talked . The Buddhist Rev. , who is agnostic, made an impact - he was a most convincing speaker.

BKs emphasise on soul-consciousness. That is sadly lacking. Be impartial and observe.

frage

KT · Guest

It stands to reason that questions need to be asked if you want answers. If answers are not forthcoming then perhaps rephrase your question.

Rolling Eyes

jjerome · Guest

i am not a member of this group raj yoga. but me think that this is a group with alot of rich people , who from what i have seen , try to keep the poor members at bay.the poor members are made to do alot of work, cleaning. packing chair's ect., while the rich gather in group's to chat, do not offer ride in there expencive cars to the poor who has to walk or take public transport.
will these poor members get rich one day.???? Embarassed

Arjuna * · Guest

Dear brother,

Omshanti. The Godly family existent at the time of Brahma Baba did not face the problems that you have mentioned above, because God was present practically to deal with all such problems. He dealt with the rich children also while giving due respect to the poor people. In fact in many of the murlis he has said that I do not wantedly take large amounts from the rich so that I will have to return thousands of times in the GA/SA. He has said in the murlis that one rupee or brick of a poor child is equal to hundreds or thousands of rupees.

But sadly after the demise of Brahma Baba, when Shivbaba was not there to directly supervise the activities of the BKs, the rich children have gained upperhand over the poor children and hence the treatment with the poor that you have mentioned above.

In order to give the proper due to the poor children among the BKs (here poor does not necessarily mean monetarily poor, but also those who are poor by knowledge) that Shivbaba has changed his form and place. Whoever has a big post lives with its pride. Rich people live in the remembrance of their money. They keep remembering their wealth.

The Supreme Soul comes in an ordinary body and lives a simple life. Money should have a minimum role in spirituality.

With regards,

Arjuna

Sue · Guest

This site has become nothing more than a PBK platform. It is extremely disappointing and terribly boring. Crying or Very sad

Guest · Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:59 am Post subject: Let's look in the mirror

From reading the MS, it looks as if this site was set up specially to cater to the needs of XBKs. Therefore, instead of bad mouthing the site, why don't you make some high quality posts in the main forum?

From what I see, there are a paltry 61 PBK posts vs over 740 posts in the main forum! So where is the domination by PBKs? To my mind the problem (if there is a problem) is not really PBK activity, it is the relative XBK inactivity. Can the site be blamed for that? XBKs and others are not compelled to read PBK posts or to fight and argue with them. The PBKs have been given their own forum. True, they are only a mouse click away but, as they say, if you don't like the TV station, just change the channel.

I think that, instead of whining about PBK participation and posts, people need to wake up and ask themselves:

(1) How much have I contributed to the XBK forum?

(2) How many posts have I made, and what is their length and quality? Do I post regularly, or am I a fold-my-arms ringside spectator - an armchair critic?

(3) How many genuine XBKs have I brought in as members?

(4) Do I try to spread the word and increase the XBK membership? Some claim that there are many more XBKs than BKs. They may be right. But how come only a small number of XBKs are members here? Is the site to be blamed for that?

(5) Look at the Classic posts page. Not a single PBK post is there!

(6) The Adminstrator has put a freeze on further PBK members and has also made posts discouraging them from quoting murli points and from preaching. He / she has even suggested experiential topics that they can write about, instead of proselytizing. They are not encouraged to post in the main forum and they are forbidden from posting in the XBKs only forum. They are basically doing their own thing in their own piddly little forum. Why should anyone get into a tizzy about that?!!!

Seems to me that some are biting the hand that has given them contact and expression Sad

Think about it people.

Guest · Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:57 am Post subject:

Dear folks,
Omshanti. I thank the guest for making a balanced, well researched post above.
As regards the number of posts made by the PBKs (61)that the guest has mentioned above, I wish to say that this number does not reveal the reality because many of the posts made by the PBKs have been deleted by the Administrator, for the reasons best known to him. Recently I had started a new topic on why Adhyatmik Ishwariya Vishwavidyalay is called Advance Party, but the post was promptly deleted (maybe because it contained a few murli points).
I also agree with the guest in his statement that instead of just criticizing or making negative comments about the PBKs, the XBKs must try to present their own views in a fitting manner. I also agree with the guest that the XBKs have been the least active on this forum. Even today (Feb 2 Cool

the last post made by the XBKs in the "Only XBKs" Section was on Feb 13. This shows the interest being taken by the XBKs in this forum. If anyone is interested in statistics then they can check the maximum number of new topics started by PBKs. But sadly it is also true that the maximum number of topics deleted from any section is also those of PBKs only.
PBKs are used to facing discrimination, just like the jews ever since their existence began. The BKs don't allow them to enter their centres, verbally and physically assault them, they were banned from the bks Ausie forum, and now this forum has also banned new memberships of the PBKs.
My only humble request to the XBKs is that they should try to understand the feelings of the PBKs also. The PBKs generally do not comment or participate in discussions on topics which are not related to the bk knowledge or murlis or Shivbaba. As far as the restrictions imposed by the Administrator on the PBKs is concerned, I would request him to be a little more patient with the PBKs, who may take a little more time to digest the ban on quoting murlis, because murlis are their lifeline. We will try to present the PBK viewpoint with as little murli points as possible.
With regards,
Arjuna

uddhava · Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Paramdham

Guest · Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:41 pm Post subject:

Om shanti Bhai!

I agree Uddhavva

Take care,

Guest · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:27 am Post subject:

Guest · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:55 am Post subject: Re: general comments

Tete · Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 169

Dear Guest,

I understand your frustration and empathize with you.
Now let me explain from a layman�s point not knowing a lot about BK�s even though I have been in a relationship with one (XBK) for seventeen years. I came to the site to seek answers, understanding and clarity. Most importantly I needed this clarity for my child�s well being. Having exposed her to this at age 10. I as a parent needed to know all I could to assure that her well being was primary at all times.

Upon coming to the site I found my self reading answers by PBK�s (which to a layman is not crystal clear) and finding myself even more confused. I would ask my husband questions, he would wonder himself and finally told me not to read them. He thus far has been supportive in my curiosity in finding the answers for myself and answering questions that I can�t sort out.

This is not a judgment on you or the PBK�s , but rather an observation. Many families are seeking answers and we genuinely love our family members and thus find ourselves searching to connect and understand what they lived for so many years and how others are coping.

As to the Murli�s I have only seen one in my life in 2004 and didn�t understand it. I imagine the BK Murli�s and the PBK Murli�s are also different.

Tete