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bkry · Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 113 Location: Malaysia

I have not read any murli which said that those who were born Hindus now have a better status in Heaven. However, I know that God had encouraged His children, who were before Him at that time as former Hindus, with facts saying something to the effect that a lot that is basically Indian (now) will exist in Heaven. For example, He has said that Hindi will be spoken in a modified form, the Aryans will have black hair like the Indians (or the Aryans of North India as the world understands them to be), etc. Those who are in Indian corporeal bodies will be able to see all these and I suppose they might get a trill from it. I don’t know. Maybe even those who were sitting before Baba, when He spoke all this had a trill in thinking that one day something that belongs to their clan will be predominant on earth. Well, one could say that this satisfies body-consciousness because BKs should not identify themselves to any specific clan. But no-one is perfect as yet. One has to remember that knowledge can only be introduced slowly and gently to souls because it is new. Even now, BKs try to introduce knowledge very slowly. BKs have to make sure that they do not hurt anyone by not explaining with tact. Well anyway, I think Paul has to show the murli which says that, “the souls who remained Hindu in this last confluence age birth will have the edge in the new world of paradise” because murlis can be misunderstood and they have to be properly understood. It is my opinion that Paul has misunderstood something.
Anyway, as for the caste system being practiced in the Brahma Kumaris, this was one of the things which made me stop going to the center for amrit vela and murlis. Having been exposed to the caste system since I had my corporeal birth, I recognized it the minute I saw it in the Brahma Kumaris. But the knowledge was very good and we need test-papers and so I was OK until I started looking at it with body-consciousness. Anyway, I still understand that it is a very good test paper though I can understand that one can have tears in one’s eyes in seeing people being treated that way. When I first started practicing this knowledge and I had informed my corporeal family members that I can’t eat anything that they had cooked, it had shocked me to see them accepting it just like that because they belonged to the highest caste within their clan and in their clan, those of lower caste can eat their cooking but they couldn’t eat the food of others. In fact, my corporeal family members didn’t like this practice as they felt that people should not be treated so unkindly. However, they had just asked me to do the cooking thereafter. I had sometimes begun to think that they were greater than BKs for just accepting that with such humility. Now, I do not practice this anymore. I eat the food they cook so long as it is vegetarian. According to the divine laws, only the plants are for human consumption. So I will always follow that. Though I now eat food cooked by my corporeal family (so long as it is vegetarian), my corporeal family members would say, “No, you cook. If not, you may not eat it”. I suppose “attachment” for me has enabled them to accept it and so I still do the cooking. Cooking in remembrance enables us to have food filled with power. So, I still prefer to do the cooking.
As I have understood and stated earlier, we need test-papers. Thus, whatever is happening within the Brahma Kumaris must be seen with a good stage. If not, one may break and leave. If one had a good stage, one would not break and leave. New members do not see it and so they just enjoy the knowledge and the link to God. It is as you get involved with service that one will see all this.

hanuman · Joined: 23 Jun 2004 Posts: 174

Isabel,
I can assure you that SB will NEVER LOOK DOWN ON YOU! That's simply not Him. Some BKs will and others who are not advanced.
I would like to address the VIP aspect of BK service. We have to look at that kind of service from SB's heart throne. We also have to look at SB as THE GREAT APPLIED ANTHROPOLOGIST WITH A PROGRAM OF DITECTED CHANGE. The directed change is the transformation of the world into the Golden Age. The world can be regarded as a huge society or culture. SB is implementing one of the major principles of applied anthropology. In order to effectively transform any culture by directed change, for example introducing the use of electrical water pumps in Sri Lanka, there are several agents of change who can be catalysts for the directed change. These are prestigious laden individual, the dissident individual, the socially deviant individual, the unique individual and the leader. Each of these individuals can play key roles in enabling the general masses to be accept the teachings of RY. Among the masses will be souls who will accept the teachings and themselves become great teachers.
Madonna, for example, may or may not become a BK. However, if she is touched by the teachings and communicates it to the public, many in the public will give it a try. No BK should ever try converting an alokik person to gyan. The BK should only give the message. It is then up to the person to accept SB's teachings and self-transform.
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Om Shanti,
To my brothers and sisters.

Love to you all,
Errol bhai